What are your opinions on DD and AV being in the new relic quest?

[Nalien]

Woulda been funky if they had used the Extreme primals for the relic (Still <3 Titan extreme, fun fight is fun).

This is what they should have done instead of half of what we got... I get that they don't want Relics to involve Endgame, but old Endgame content should be fair game... Have us do some T1 for Allagan Wootz/etc. would have been refreshing...

Heck, all this talk of it being to get people in old content... Labyrinth Of The Ancients needs that kind of boost way more than Dhzmeal Darkhold or Aurum Vale ever will... Honestly, if they wanted to improve low level dungeon queues with the Relic quest, having the Mysterious Map daily quest involve Low Level Roulette rather than Expert would have been the obvious answer... Did anyone at all actually need an extra reason to do Expert Roulettes?

[Verlyn]

I cannot like your post enough Nalien. Pretend my like is equivalent to ten of them, if you must.

[Backflippinbadger]

I had to do DD so much...

[Sapphic]

Heck, all this talk of it being to get people in old content... Labyrinth Of The Ancients needs that kind of boost way more than Dhzmeal Darkhold or Aurum Vale ever will... Honestly, if they wanted to improve low level dungeon queues with the Relic quest, having the Mysterious Map daily quest involve Low Level Roulette rather than Expert would have been the obvious answer... Did anyone at all actually need an extra reason to do Expert Roulettes?

Totally agree! The primals, all of em. As when I caught up with my alt SCH it took for ages to get in the earlier Hildibrand fights and LotA, stuff which blocks progression, AV and DD not so much, longest que was Ramuh @ 40 mins as SCH! LotA took around 30 mins surprisingly, expected much longer (was a good run too).

[KaerisKlyne]

Ehh, they're kind of annoying to run, but not impossible, so I don't really mind. AV only took me 3 runs, DD is so far taking me a little bit longer, but I'm not flat out hating it. Do I wish it was somewhere else? Yeah, probably, but this is tolerable.

[Nekodar]

They only had 14 level 50 light party dungeons... They wanted 4 unique dungeons per sub-quest... So they picked the two closest to 50.

[Xhominid]

That's an easy mindset to follow, until you're 6 runs in in which each run is 35+ minutes long.

Patience becomes lost.

Which falls back into the massive dissonance between those that just want to hit lvl 50 and those wanting to get atmas. None of this really benefits anyone and if anything, just makes people hate each other more(I honestly HATE speed clears even when it should feel more convenient to me. I don't always do full runs, but speed clearing just kills the point of dungeons for me). I'm honestly in agreement that there are other places that need love far more than those 2...

[Felis]

I love DD. I don't know who can complain about this easy dungeon. And you can collect gear sets for an achievement.
AV depend on the group you get.

I finished them for relic with DD 1/1 and AV 1/2

Which falls back into the massive dissonance between those that just want to hit lvl 50 and those wanting to get atmas.

You get ATMAs faster from FATEs than from AV or DD. Much much faster.

[Ultimatecalibur]

DD, AV and many of the other 2.0 and 2.1 dungeons suffer heavily from imperfect dungeon design. Long side paths with rewards that are not worth it, rooms with large numbers of enemies with a lot of hp, punishments for doing the "right" thing, etc.

Changes I would make to AV to improve it:

• Pods give equal or greater XP if killed before germination.
• Frogs do not harpoon.
• Fewer enemies in first room.
• Warped Bow, Notched Bill and Crooked Guisarme appear in chests.

[ZanzhizExaverion]

Zodiac quest should have honestly been - 16 Dungeons 100% drop rate - Same Crafting things/Soldiery Requirements - Leviathan, Ramuh, Shiva EX at the end.

It would have been incredibly fun and much less of a headache.

RNG Progression is NOT fair, or fun in any way. Some people finish the quest in 20 dungeons, some take over 150. It's. Not. Fair.