Discuss: Are DPS meters bad for MMOs?

[QiLymePye]

.....so....i type something using the exact words that i wanted to use to convey what im saying and you are telling me that instead of "reading" what i say, you are gonna to say what i wrote "imply" what you are thinking? Im confused. But here. let me clarify: Parser is a tool. If someone is harassing you, would you then give them another tool to harass you? If you find out someone is a thief, would you then go and give them the tools to steal from you, like your sensitive info whether its your bank account, social security number, atm card, etc. If someone was a child molester, would you give them the tools or access to molest? That is how comparison works. I wasnt attacking you, but there are people that feel they would be attacked more by people that think its ok to do so because of parsers. Thats all im saying.

[QiLymePye]

I don't think parsers would be bad if only it shows your own numbers. I just think it shouldn't be shown to everyone else. If im working on my dps numbers, then let whoever is helping me exchange notes and numbers. But it shouldn't be for everyone to see. We already have enough people discriminating and harassing and just acting like assholes using things like ilvl and other stats.

[Ryel]

.....so....i type something using the exact words that i wanted to use to convey what im saying and you are telling me that instead of "reading" what i say, you are gonna to say what i wrote "imply" what you are thinking? Im confused. But here. let me clarify: Parser is a tool. If someone is harassing you, would you then give them another tool to harass you? If you find out someone is a thief, would you then go and give them the tools to steal from you, like your sensitive info whether its your bank account, social security number, atm card, etc. If someone was a child molester, would you give them the tools or access to molest? That is how comparison works. I wasnt attacking you, but there are people that feel they would be attacked more by people that think its ok to do so because of parsers. Thats all im saying.

We aren't talking about criminals of horrible crimes and sharing private personal information, we're talking about team mechanics and numbers that effect the group as a whole. It's more comparable to team sports or taking down run times at a track meet.

If you do a team relay race you don't hide the slowest runner's times because you're afraid someone is going to go and harass them or if you're playing a team game a player's poor performance isn't ignored or glossed over in an effort to prevent criticism, it isn't how players better themselves and it only hurts the rest of the team, and this game whether people like to admit it or not is very focused around team play.

Until the day you are able to solo 8 man content, you are at the mercy of the performance of others.

This isn't information that is account specific like your credit cards or account info that someone could compromise your account or bank records with, in the worst case scenario harassment will amount to a few angry choice words or a party dismissal and blacklist, not irreparable physical, mental or financial harm. The conversation at hand is referring to simple in-game data that is already viewable to you via the combat logs, please don't try to make this seem like some gross invasion of privacy or criminal act, it isn't.

If you're legitimately worried about someone obtaining data that could compromise your account you would do the same thing someone in Real Life would do if a convicted felon obtained the means to threaten and or hurt you or your belongings, you would call the police, as for the game world you submit a GM report if you feel you are being harassed in any way as that is what they are there for.

[QiLymePye]

OMG dude.....damn...its not about compromising accounts....lol. I am using comparison. Damn. I feel like im teaching english. Ok. Im gonna try one more time. Parser is a tool, correct? In the right hands, tools are used to accomplish what they were made to do. For ex. Knife is a tool for a cook. It can also be a tool for someone to cause harm. Now...if you read what i said, I specifically called out "Harassers". equating that Harassers having access to parsers is akin to a thief having access to your personal info. Now, i wasnt saying that im worried about someone in the gameworld having my info. What I am saying is that a Harasser causes harm to the person they harass, thief causes harm to the person they steal from. So.....Parser:Harasser::Personal Info:Thief. Parser:Harasser::Knife:Murderer. Both are tools(Parser/Knife or info) that could be used by people meaning harm(Harasser/Thief/Murderer) in a way other than intended to cause harm. Damn!!!

[Ryel]

I haven't ignored or misunderstood you, i very clearly pointed out that your comparisons are just very bad, they are just not on the same scale by any means whatsoever as this is a game and a person's life and or livelihood is not in danger due to someone calling them names for underperforming in Twintania.

I'll reiterate this point, in real life if someone like a thief / murderer misuses a tool like say a knife for example, we don't stop selling knives, we call the police.

If someone in game is harassing you for any reason, you blacklist them, dismiss them from party, or call a GM.

[Gardes]

Damn. I feel like im teaching english.

I don't know...

The person you're writing to seems to be have a better grasp at it than you.

[QiLymePye]

Dude, please look up analogy. Google it, wikipedia, idc. This is absurd. You are proving my point and analogy in your post. Yes, you don't stop selling knives. You also don't go handing out knives to murderes. Yes you dont stop using your social security number. Yes you dont stop giving out bank accounts. You also dont go giving out your account to people that could possibly be thieves and use it to harm you. That is where your comparison is off. I didnt say not to use parser, I said it should only be used for the person themselves, not for everyone to see unless you want to show that info to everyone.

[Gardes]

Yes, you don't stop selling knives. You also don't go handing out knives to murderes.

Of course not! Those murderers will have to buy the knives themselves, just like everybody else. Unless everybody else has a knife buying and owning license and the murderer doesn't because his knife buying and owning license got revoked because he has murdered someone with a knife before. He'll have to use his other ___ buying and owning license to buy another item and use that as a murder tool.

Would you like to move on to a gun analogy next?

[HeroSamson]

Not having it isn't half-bad from a causal player's perspective.

People can concentrate on playing the stupid game instead of staring at meters all the damn time then throwing hissy fits over minor deviations from the "expected".

Actually this has happen to me.

The guy basically was dead then when we beat the boss, he begins blasting me how I killed him due to I have low DPS, I said its sure funny that I survived by dodging and even won the fight but you were dead about mid fight.

I said exactly what you just said, if he didn't sit there staring at how much DPS I was doing maybe he could of dodged a few attacks and nobody would of been pointing fingers.

I call that sore loser.

Reason why people should not have a program like this due to the fact you have people who miss use it.

[Ryel]

Dude, please look up analogy.

Okay.

a·nal·o·gy
noun
noun: analogy; plural noun: analogies

A comparison between two things, typically on the basis of their structure and for the purpose of explanation or clarification.

A correspondence or partial similarity.

A thing that is comparable to something else in significant respects.

Logic

A process of arguing from similarity in known respects to similarity in other respects.

Notice the bold?

I'm not trying to upset or offend you, but as I've pointed out multiple times the examples you've tried to use in your posts are not comparable to the issue currently being discussed, the situations are by no means similar or on the same scale in any way.

And in the event that they were (which they are not) in both cases you would contact the acting authorities, in real life that would be the police and in game that would be a GM.

And as for sharing the info?

It's already there, tab over to your combat log, it's already public info that hasn't been hidden, what people are asking for is a way that allows us to interpret it in a more manageable format.