I'm begging you, please make Ramuh EX a little more farmable.

[OvernightSiren]

I have cleared Ramuh, I have cleared him maybe 4-5 times.I was so excited to see that weapons are now a 100% drop rate in 2.45, but all week I've failing FARM parties (where everyone has clear exp) but failing to help my FC get through the fight so they can move on to Shiva.

This IS an endgame fight, but it has NEVER been one particularly known for its amazing drops--especially a whole patch later. It's honestly just there as a road block and for the glamour weapons. I couldn't clear it with my static back in 2.3 and we were on T9, even now with a higher ilvl I can't reliably farm it without wiping 2-3 times in between kills with people that I frequently pony farm primals with. I just think it's silly to nerf T6 and T7 down as hard as they were nerfed and to not even touch Ramuh.

You've made the fight more desireable by increasing drop rates, but the fight remains a roadblock for many players and very difficult to farm.

[OvernightSiren]

The changes I'd recommend are lowering the damage on stacked thunderstorms and/or lowering the damage bonus Ramuh gets with extra orbs lying around and/or lowering the HP on the arbiters (at i115 Shiva's DPS check is NOTHING I've ever had a problem with, while I still have issues with killing the arbiters in time because there are times that as a melee DPS I can't even attack them because of thunderstorm combined with their very high HP/defense).


Please, SE. I want to help my FC through this fight and I want to be able to farm it (possibly WITH them), but with road block content like this it makes it hard for them to NOT consider un-subbing.

[Ellatrix]

RamuhX is incredibly easy. You said you only did it 4-5 times, that's hardly enough practice to reliably farm it.

[OvernightSiren]

RamuhX is incredibly easy. You said you only did it 4-5 times, that's hardly enough practice to reliably farm it.

With a reliable static or voice coms I'm sure it is. But with a pug group, that is simply not the case. I can 100% say that I have not been responsible for more than 2-3 wipes in any of the farm groups I've attempted (and there have been DOZENS of failed pulls). There's always someone dead by (or someone that dies during) the arbiter phase, making the DPS check that much higher. All I'm saying is that without a reliable static or 7 other pugs willing to hop on voice com this fight is not friendly to be farmed--and I don't personally think primals should be like that.

[Ellatrix]

Oh no, a fight requires teamwork and practice to clear. What is this, an MMO?!

Also you said you couldn't kill it with your 'T9 static' in free i110 gear in 2.3 so I don't see what you're trying to say?

[OvernightSiren]

Oh no, a fight requires teamwork and practice to clear. What is this, an MMO?!

Also you said you couldn't kill it with your 'T9 static' in free i110 gear in 2.3 so I don't see what you're trying to say?

That we couldn't clear it. That's...what i was trying to say. It's actually a pretty cut and dry comment. And this wasn't THROUGHOUT 2.3, this was the first few weeks--so we didn't all HAVE "free i110 gear" in all of our slots. And I'm aware that teamwork is part of an MMO, but you're missing my point much more than I'm missing yours.

Contrary to your apparent understanding, not all players are the same. Some are better than others. You for instance are clearly better than me. Not every Ramuh EX farm PUG group can say they have ANY members with T13 clears--or even T9 clears for that matter.

I've seen your posts and you have a very elitist view of the game and a very snarky tone a majority of the time. You can feel free to stop commenting.

[Ellatrix]

Practice the fight with a group together if you want to have people to clear it reliably. Double thunder isn't going to kill anyone unless the field is littered with orbs.

[ChiiSoSeriouz]

If you're having a hard time beating it with your FC, or groups you're creating in PF at this point then you should reevaluate the people you're playing with.

Secondly, the fight is designed to punish failure to execute the mechanics properly, as a team. That's where the excess damage is coming from. When done correctly it's a breeze. It's not some oversight that needs to be nerfed. Please have more respect for the fight and the team that created it.

[Pots_Talos]

You say you are having problems beating Ramuh EX with a PUG, but don't PUGs have problems with every EX primal?

[Hiruke]

Just because X player or X group of players can't defeat something, means it should get nerfed into the ground? Many/most people can't even beat Ifrit EX, and that fight is so incredibly easy as to defy all logic. Ramuh EX is also incredibly easy, and you really don't need voice chat in order to clear it. There are a few reasons why folks wouldn't be able to clear this:

1) Bad job picking up orbs for tanks. Tanks should be calling that they need the orbs, or need people to clean up orbs, and should get their orbs quickly and efficiently, preferably prioritizing orbs by themselves so they don't make some poor dps run over to them for an orb to reduce thunderstorms and end up dying in the water or one shot as collateral damage from the tank getting hit nearby.

2) DPS too low for adds. It's pretty mystifying, but I guess some people who try to do Ramuh roll like 150 or less dps... as MNK or NIN. I mean, what? It's ok, though - Yoshida will never tell. It's pretty alarming that there are so many dps checks in the game but the dev team doesn't give you any tools to check your dps or figure out how to optimize your gear. In fact, they purposefully give you junk gear on at least half of the Coil and Poetics gear to make sure you need to farm both sets, leaving likely a huge swath of players with vastly inferior gear sets. For example, a SMN rolling too much crit vs. a SMN with far more determination is a HUGE dps gap between the two (in favor of the one with more determ).

People dying or splitting dps also messes this up. I'm not sure what's so hard about starting with the 6 oclock add and then rolling clockwise, but some people just hate to do that. Also, people love to die.

3) Not coordinated enough to clear seduction or break rolling thunder. People use the number system for this. Lowest breaks seduction (everyone seduced should run to A marker, which most people place south of Ramuh), highest breaks rolling thunder (or, if tank is tethered to you, they break it). Obviously you shouldn't take actions while you have rolling thunder other than the designated person break the tether.

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Honestly, all things likely will be nerfed eventually, but that's kind of a shame. The primal fights are the most fun in the game just about, and the light challenge they offer is a lot of their charm. It seems like a larger and larger group of people who play MMOs just "do it for fun" and DO NOT want to be challenged in any way, saying "it's just a game, I shouldn't have to play efficiently, I should just win without even trying". Does this mentality really carry over to other games? For example, Monopoly (perhaps the worst board game on earth, but whatever)... When you play Monopoly, do you really not try to win? You just roll the dice and go through the motions, not even attempting to take 1st place? Or do you put some thought and effort into it? If you don't try at all, do you get upset when you don't win? I don't mean "you" as in the OP, but people in general who hate any kind of challenge in MMOs (and presumably other games?).

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By the way, the only way they will make these things regularly winnable in DF is to lower the iLVL its tuned for to like 50 or more below what iLVL people are actually at, perhaps also strip out all mechanics, etc. I still see people fail Titan HM (yeah, not EX - HM) because they refuse to address mechanics in any way. I see folks fail Ifrit EX and Ramuh EX pretty regularly, and it just boggles my mind. If you can't figure out these kinds of fights, why are you still doing endgame content to begin with? It... just gets harder, really.