I really didn't understand the issue.

[Illya]

By this logic, if someone's destination is full BiS gear, but the journey to get it isn't fun for them why should they force themself to do it? Shouldn't SE offer full BiS from the Cash Shop?

That's up to Squenix what they choose to offer in the cash shop. Realistically, anything that WoW offers in their cash shop is fair game in any other MMO. If WoW can get away with it, other MMOs can too.

Blizzard has not offered raid gear in the cash shop because they have always decided that it is not necessary. If in the future they deem it necessary, maybe one day they will. I suspect they won't after 5 years of WoW's cash shop not offering it.

Slippery slope arguments are astonishingly stupid anyways when WoW has had their cash shop for 5 years now and look they're at 10 million subs again. WoW has survived the cash shop, hell even 2 widely disliked expansions couldn't kill it. This game will be fine with cash shop too.

[Teryaani]

That's up to Squenix what they choose to offer in the cash shop. Realistically, anything that WoW offers in their cash shop is fair game in any other MMO. If WoW can get away with it, other MMOs can too.

I agree on mounts/minions/transmog (glamour), but let's take the "buy a 90" out of the list.

[Venos]

That's up to Squenix what they choose to offer in the cash shop. Realistically, anything that WoW offers in their cash shop is fair game in any other MMO. If WoW can get away with it, other MMOs can too.

Blizzard has not offered raid gear in the cash shop because they have always decided that it is not necessary. If in the future they deem it necessary, maybe one day they will. I suspect they won't after 5 years of WoW's cash shop not offering it.

Slippery slope arguments are astonishingly stupid anyways when WoW has had their cash shop for 5 years now and look they're at 10 million subs again. WoW has survived the cash shop, hell even 2 widely disliked expansions couldn't kill it. This game will be fine with cash shop too.

Annn this game just hit 2.5million subs. Final Fantasy 14 will be alright.

[AdamFyi]

*snipped, I don't like that I got so caught up in the moment that I wrote what I've removed here. I apologize, Adam*

Well, the fact that you can buy a house with gil sort of invalidates your entire ideal of "They are only getting these items at a much faster pace." I can no longer get that house anymore. They've literally consumed the opportunity by spending real money on gil, and there is no way to compete with this if you don't already have the gil other than also spending real money. Suddenly, the size of your wallet in real life can affect how quickly you can achieve goals inside of the game..

Oh, no worries. You don't have to apologize for anything as I'm partly to blame for your sudden outburst. I understand that people can get emotionally worked up over these things and I have to apologize for making you think and feel that way as well. I am in no position to make someone feel like that, so I have to apologize once again.

As for the other thing, yes, that is indeed a big problem with the amount of Gil rapidly being dumped into housing. It is something that I did take into consideration when writing up that entire post - just that I did not make it clear enough. Apologies on my end for that. I do agree with you that this issue is something that SE should think about and I am in no way asking them to rush for a solution as more human errors may arise if they did. However, I'd like to see them enforce what they had said on the matter to not sell the Bracelets for Gil more strictly. Hopefully they can figure out a solution in due time.

[Lexia]

A lot of people accused SE of selling gil, but that's not true. No more gil was put into the economy than there would have been without it, it simply moved it around. It also opened up the avenue of people who couldn't or wouldn't buy the bracelet through the gift shop to buy the bracelet with gil as a way to experience their wedding without shelling over $20.

I understand the people who can not spend the extra money to buy a nicer wedding, but what I find funny in all these threads is the bold statement above as if person refuse to buy from shop they probably don't support the cash shop and by buying the item in game with gil they are still supporting the cash shop. Cause that person most likely is just doing it for the gil and they will just go back and buy more bracelets to sell continuing to give money to the cash shop.

[Krr]

Cant say I agree with you on this at all. Gil is so easy to make that I cant see how anyone is broke all the time. People are LAZY -- that is the real issue. Go spiritbond a set, get a crafter up, get a gathering class up. What's so hard about it???

You convert the piece of level 49 garbage into a Water Materia IV.
You attempt to attach a Craftsman's Cocaine Materia IV to the Velveteen Bikini of Crafting. The assimilation fails!

God, yeah. Spiritbonding for money and making max crafting definitely doesn't take either hours or extreme luck or both or anything.

You are making all of this up and need to stop because right now if you have to reach at so much stuff that's not even remotely true to try and make your argument than you have already lost.

God yeah I definitely 'made up' every single thing you can do with gil. Wait, what? Are you right in the head?

What does the ease of gil for you even have to do with how it correlates to player power? Do you even understand how an economy works? With this logic we may as well sell EXP potions because it's just so easy to level all my jobs to 50 and everyone who doesn't is so lazy. People had level 50 classes before the cash shop put EXP potions in so it's not like it's going to change anything!

[BraveheartRamo]

I believe spending money for gils will affect the market in the game, everything will become cheap, you will find less items to buy because crafting will be done for leveling rather than selling. This will be pretty much like farmville, or some online game that has a cash shop for its currency. Keep fighting RMT and don't make it official, the game has a plan to generate gils as you enjoy the quest line, I mean how hardly are you spending if you are following the right pattern while enjoying the game. Quests alone can generate 400k in total, a good start to lvl crafting and there you can accumulate your gils. I worked hard to get 1st million and pretty happy about it. I'm counting on generating more gils when all crafting jobs are capped.

[Vondoomervil]

Why are we putting the blame on SE do much? Its US the players that are the ones buying the items and then selling it for gil... lol I think we are the problem.

[ReplicaX]

Why are we putting the blame on SE do much? Its US the players that are the ones buying the items and then selling it for gil... lol I think we are the problem.

Flawed system allowed it to happen, made by SE. A Community Manager for SE stated no punishable actions will be taken as it isn't against ToS or considered RMT. Again, all SE.

You cannot trust players with anything that can give them an unfair advantage over other players. By not removing the system until it is fixed or punishing players abusing it. You are basically allowing them to do it, as there are no repercussions.

[MugenMugetsu]

SE the new go to RMT company! They're trustworthy, you know you're money is going to support the game, and the amount of gil you get for the cash you spend varies! You're almost guaranteed to get a certain number of millions of gil, but how many millions you get depends on the market. The Producer says, "NO Pay to Win!" and when a pay to win method is discovered and then abused by the playerbase, the one person we look up to the most when it comes to the future of this game, takes no action whatsoever to resolve the issue. Or there's been no mention of Yoshi P having made any comment whatsoever regarding the issue.

This is not good business. Leadership requires that quick, enforced, decisions be made and implemented. Yoshi P dragging his boots on the issue is not a good sign that our "leader" is as strong a leader as we would like to have. Is it that he doesn't want to tick off the portion of the playerbase that has money and is willing to abuse the cash shop for in game gain, or is it that his stance is more of a business stance in that if the cash shop is making more money because of the exploit, leave the exploit for financial gain on SE's end?

If you are one the many who are dropping cash on bracelets to trade, or sell on the Market Boards to make gil, you really shouldn't be proud of yourself. You're not doing yourself any favors. You're only cheating your way through the game. If only there were a way for all items purchased with gil that was bought with real money to be somehow marked indicating that said item was purchased with gil bought with real money rather than gil that was earned through hard work and effort in game. Then we could see who the "pro" players are as opposed to the lazy, pay to win, players that don't feel the need to earn their belongings.

The current debacle with the EB bracelets is just a new way for these lazy players to acquire gil with their wallets. These are mostly the same people who are the reason why RMT are still around to send spam /tells and friend requests. If people didn't purchase any gil from the RMT then they wouldn't hang around on our servers and continue to have subs paid for by the companies they work for because it wouldn't be a profittable investment. So long as people continue to support the RMT they will continue to exist. To sum things up, it really doesn't matter if they ever change the ability to sell the EB bracelets via trade, or the marketboards, as those who wish to purchase gil with real money will continue to do so, either via the Cash Shop (EB bracelets) or from RMT.

Pages upon pages of forum posts about the issue, while completely understandable, is actually not going to solve the problem of gil buying. I do, however, hope that SE take initiative and eliminate the ability for the lazy, 1337, players to make easy money by spending real money on bracelets to sell for gil. I definitely do not support gilbuying in any form. I feel that everyone should have to work, via in game actions, to earn their gear, items, and gil.

Why anyone would want a false sense of accomplishment is beyond me. Look at muh house I bought with muh real money. Ain't it great? Herp derp. I'm too lazy to work for the gil required to actually earn and pay for the stuff I want in game.

Regardless, of my stance or the stance of anyone else, if you want to buy gil, by all means do whatever you want. I certainly can't stop you and if SE aren't going to eliminate the RMT, have at it. As for me, even though I play very casually, I'll be earning every item I get through hard work and effort in game. Sense of accomplishment. {Can I have it?}

My 2 gil. Have fun flaming me and picking apart my commentary. ( ~.ø)b