This guy gets it Terms and Services

[melflomil]

This guy nailed it. Nobody reads the fine print anymore.

Just because you all are paying subs does not entitled you to every single item in game. Like I've stated in the Eternal Bond whining thread, read the ToS. It's there for a reason and I believe you have to agree and accept it to play this game.

Terms of Service:
http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en

4. BILLING PROCEDURES AND RECURRING TRANSACTIONS
"In order to access SQUARE ENIX's servers to play the Game, you must agree to a recurring subscription ("Subscription") with a minimum subscription term of 30 days, and pay a recurring subscription fee ("FFXIV Subscription Fee")"

"Further, Square Enix may offer you the chance to purchase additional features for your FFXIV Service Account, which we call "Add-ons" or "Options." Add-ons may be subject to either additional recurring fees or one-time fees. A "Recurring Fee" is a fee that will be charged on a recurring basis until you terminate your subscription. A "One-Time Fee" is fee that is only charged once."

[Lemuel81]

thats all folks!

[Sakuraluna]

I mean, it's obvious they would have written something like that into the ToS from the get-go.

[Teuciont]

What does that have to do with it being acceptable? A majority of the discussion has been over the ethics of it. You don't see anyone trying to sue SE over it.

[Thistledown]

You can't discuss ethics of something you explicitly agreed to.

[Nalien]

You can't discuss ethics of something you explicitly agreed to.

Yes... You can?

The ToS is literally just there so none of us unhappy with the current money grabbing direction of development can't turn around a sue SE. We're damn well within our right to call them out of it though. That and just leave, in which case SE sees reducing numbers and goes "Put more stuff in the cash shop to make more money fast!" and the game spirals into oblivion.

We have no legal case against SE, that's all this means. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't seen anyone prepared to sue SE over the cash shop (yet). It's almost entirely been feedback and wallet voting.

I guess you'd be OK if SE turned around tomorrow and made it so you could only take one step in game per day in Heavensward zones, and charged you for potions to walk an extra step, then? I mean, the ToS you agreed to clearly states that they hold the right to do such a thing. So you'd have to just roll over and take it like a champ, right?

[MrCookTM]

You can't discuss ethics of something you explicitly agreed to.

This.

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[Teuciont]

You can't discuss ethics of something you explicitly agreed to.

ToS are usually designed to have vast, generalized blanket statements to cover a company's ass in almost any situation. I'm sure it would even cover Matsuda eating babies if they stretched it far enough. It's ignorant consumers such as yourself that allow this to happen.

[Negotiator]

This guy nailed it. Nobody reads the fine print anymore.

That's right. Protests, strikes, disputes, lawyers, don't exist anymore.

[Bunsen]

People seem to forget that Square Enix is a company that does business and charges for their services. Why/How is this so unethical? People really need to get their head out of their ass and stop thinking they deserve everything for free from SE because they play their game.