I only play Monk, changes to these move plz

[SakiKojiro]

How can you say this when you haven't done any content where you can run out of TP? You would lose massive DPS from the TP you lose from the extremely minor increase over a 225 auto-crit Bootshine, since if you use it a couple times in real content you're going to need preemptive Army's Paeon or Goad. Invigorate isn't the magical answer, just doing single target rotations is enough for a MNK to need Army's Paeon in content that matters. Arm of the Destroyer is for silences in raid. Period. Even T4, an out-geared short fight with 6+ enemies at a time, you don't use Arm of the Destroyer.

To put it into perspective, people don't use Fracture, an 80 TP cost move, in raid settings typically even if given the rare opportunity in their rotation where it doesn't interfere with ToD or DK/TwS/Demolish.

How do you know what I've done? I'm not saying that its 100% always optimal, but to dismiss it entirely as an AoE dps option is idiotic. They didn't say "in high coils" they said "ever". All I know is in big pulls of 8 or more enemies 50x8=400. Thats a pretty solid number. As I said earlier, even 4x50 making it 200 potency is worth it, if you can manage your tp. This is strongly based on the length of the fight. If the enemies are all tanky beasts then obviously this is a dumb idea, and you'd be better off avoiding this.

[Sleigh]

How do you know what I've done? I'm not saying that its 100% always optimal, but to dismiss it entirely as an AoE dps option is idiotic. They didn't say "in high coils" they said "ever". All I know is in big pulls of 8 or more enemies 50x8=400. Thats a pretty solid number. As I said earlier, even 4x50 making it 200 potency is worth it, if you can manage your tp.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...vement/kind/1/

It's worthwhile in large dungeon pulls, this is true. Sometimes. If your group's total DPS is low it's not worth using even once.

[Blueskyy]

Totally agree, with Sleigh, Aoe dps is not monks job, even Lucrezias monk dont spam AoTD in brayflox speed runs.

PS. You should see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRnk...TQj13CHjJxD04w

[Hulan]

Totally agree, with Sleigh, Aoe dps is not monks job, even Lucrezias monk dont spam AoTD in brayflox speed runs.

PS. You should see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRnk...TQj13CHjJxD04w

I hate to say this, but Lucrezias is clearly using Arm of the Destroyer in that video.... A lot. Any time he/she doesn't have Perfect Balance up, he/she's using AotD/{raptor}/Rockbreaker in rotation. I saw at least 5 AotDs in the first 2 pulls (though mostly in the second since Perfect Balance was down). Though if we're talking about AotD spam you are correct. I don't think anyone is claiming AotD is a spamming move though.

[Blueskyy]

If you read what Sajikojiro said, he said to use AoTD once there are 4 enemies. Which is a total waste of TP in coils and some other fight T4 for example

[Giantbane]

Even though my DPS job is not MNK (it's DRG), I'll agree that AoTD is way too expensive for only 50 pot. It's extremely draining with the GL boost. IIn light of DRGs getting a single target boost, it doesn't seem unreasonable to reduce the TP cost by about 25% or so for a little QoL boost to general MNK AoE (when PB is down).

And haymaker is a pretty underwhelming skill in most circumstances. Even moreso as a cross class ability.

One ilm punch is fine for what it is. Although it's not usable in a lot of content, it's very good when you can use it (like pvp or stripping the buffs off of S Rank hunts).

[Almalexia]

Totally agree, with Sleigh, Aoe dps is not monks job, even Lucrezias monk dont spam AoTD in brayflox speed runs.

PS. You should see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRnk...TQj13CHjJxD04w

MNK uses AotD once on the first pull and three times on the second. PB-Rockbreaker spam was used on the first and last pull.

From what I could tell, AoE DPS was monk's job and he did spam AotD when Perfect Balance was down--mob count permitting. Absent a BRD, the only thing that balances out his TP use is the rest of the PT busting their asses just as hard.

[RyuDragnier]

How do you know what I've done? I'm not saying that its 100% always optimal, but to dismiss it entirely as an AoE dps option is idiotic. They didn't say "in high coils" they said "ever". All I know is in big pulls of 8 or more enemies 50x8=400. Thats a pretty solid number. As I said earlier, even 4x50 making it 200 potency is worth it, if you can manage your tp. This is strongly based on the length of the fight. If the enemies are all tanky beasts then obviously this is a dumb idea, and you'd be better off avoiding this.

Again, better off using Perfect Balance + Rockbreaker spam (after using a single Rockbreaker to end the previous combo of course). If you're using AotD 5 times, that's only 250 potency for 650 TP, whereas if you use Rockbreaker spam after finishing a previous combo with Rockbreaker, that's 650 potency for 600 TP. That's 2.6 times more damage on multiple enemies for 50 less TP spent. Once again, Arm of the Destroyer is NEVER worth it if you're attempting AoE damage, it's far too little damage. MNKs in general should avoid even trying to AoE like that unless they're able to pop Perfect Balance beforehand for that burst of AoE spam.