Isn`t just vanity. Is 2 diferent experiences and thats why is bad.

[NyarukoW]

... it divides a single experience into a "free" one, which feels cheap, watered down and uncomplete, and the complete one, the one that "should have been" and makes it premium, behind a paywall....

The so called "free one" is just base level service. And there is a premium one. Calling is incomplete or watered down in comparison to the premium one is just word games. Seriously think about it. Would people pay more ship things overnight, priority, or regular? Do people pay more for that Lexus logo along with interior upgrades over a basic Toyota? Do people pay for 1st class for airlines over economy class? Do people pay more for supersized at McDonalds over regular dollar value meals? Sure the Toyota, economy class, feels less plush (watered down, incomplete, etc. etc.), are they really not viable? I would argue what they provide at the base level is both complete and more than adequate, but the premium is over-the-top for those that what to pay for the luxuries which is usually not the best money decisions.

As much as I like to promote a more inclusive, more just, and more fair world in game and in real life. Giving people the freedom/option to pay more for what they feels is more (whether it is more/better or not is always open to debate, foolish people overpaying for their faux gold iPhoneys come to mind) is a fundamental right of a free and open society. I will always try to impress on the those who are able and those who are better off should always help those who are less fortunate, because we all are out brothers keepers, we have a responsibility to one another. And granted NOT all things/services can or should be sold for the dollar, or for a dollar more, but within ethical bounds, to say to someone else they can not have the freedom to pay for a more premium experience seems like too much infringement on their freedoms, and it is also unfair to SE to shackle them to providing only plain jane vanilla flavor as an one-size-fits-all.

[LunaHoshino]

Feel free to link a direct statement by SE where it explicitly mentions the exact terms to winning this game.

SE has stated that the cash shop is not and will not be pay to win. The only items in the cash shop are minions, mounts and costumes.

Ergo, owning or collecting those items is not considered "winning" to SE. Simple as that.

[Stihllodeing]

The so called "free one" is just base level service. And there is a premium one. Calling is incomplete or watered down in comparison to the premium one is just word games. Seriously think about it. Wouldl do people pay more ship things overnight, priority, or regular? Do people pay more for that Lexus logo along with interior upgrades over a basic Toyota? Do people pay for 1st class for airlines over economy class? Do people pay more for supersized at McDonalds over regular dollar value meals? Sure the Toyota, economy class, feels less plush (watered down, incomplete, etc. etc.), are they really not viable?

It's a waste of time with this NyarukoW. The op has been in almost every single discussion talking about White Knighting.....which I find hilariously ironic. There's nothing to say at this point. He/she is like farming.

[Andevom]

Except there were NPCs that sold the items from past iterations of those events, meaning you could buy the Pumpkin Heads, you could buy the swimsuits and yukatas, you could buy the egg caps etc. all with gil even if you missed out on previous events a year or two before. Alts can't get them anymore either since the Calamity Salvager is character specific.

So again, items that were once offered for free, even to people who weren't around then, are now cash shop only.

I will agree that this is a bit unfair. But then, so is selling them in game via the NPC after the fact. I remember the Starlight event last year had you getting the macguffins you needed by repeatedly doing a FATE that, at first, had an abysmally low spawn rate. I can imagine being kinda miffed that someone just waltzed up in July and paid a few gil for it without hesitation.

[Roris]

SE has stated that the cash shop is not and will not be pay to win. The only items in the cash shop are minions, mounts and costumes.

Ergo, owning or collecting those items is not considered "winning" to SE. Simple as that.

So again, no direct statement from them on the exact definition of winning this game and more personal conjecture, that's nice. It's also been mentioned that paid Retainers, another thing offered in the cash shop which you seem to have forgotten, already offer a clear advantage for DoHs in both terms of crafting mats they can obtain and the maximum amount of items they can sell at once on the markets to make a profit, that might very well be almost, if not directly, P2W. About SE statements, they stated CT would be available at launch yet it wasn't, they stated housing prices would be much cheaper at the housing launch yet they weren't, they stated personal housing would be separate from FC housing yet it wasn't.

Ergo other DoW/DoM monetization venues aren't so out of the question and no one should really take their statements as set in stone and unchanging.

[NyarukoW]

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Ergo other DoW/DoM monetization venues aren't so out of the question and no one should really take their statements as set in stone and unchanging.

It would be naive for anyone take anything as forever unchanging. Things always change all the time. But the reality is that for a larger majority of things in game or in real life, the more they change the more they stay the same, fundamentally ground shifting change (genius inventions and great discoveries) are rare and hard to come by. But to get upset about players paying more for a supposedly more premium experience is really silly.

So far there is no evidence or indication that SE is trying to do less or provide less for the base level service. The fact that they want to provide some premium experience for pay is not a crime either. The entertainment industry across the board has always sought to provide more premium services for those willing to pay more. It is well known vegas rolls out the red carpet for the whales, and I doubt SE going to even come close to taking things to that level. But if they can get the "relative" whales to spend for this game, it is actually and indirect benefit for the rest of us players, especially if it translates to better servers, more server storage, etc. etc.

[BlaiseArath]

SE has stated that the cash shop is not and will not be pay to win. The only items in the cash shop are minions, mounts and costumes.

Ergo, owning or collecting those items is not considered "winning" to SE. Simple as that.

I don't even. If SE says it, then webster dictionary on defining the word "win" is wrong.

I think you've unlocked a new job... By your powers combined, the jobs Fanboy and White Knight become "Holy Fanboy".. Its special ability is "Invicibiltity - You are never wrong". Use this ability wisely young Knight, for The Order of the Enix relies on you to defend it from the evil horde of the elite troll legion. Never waver in your duties, less SE be crushed under the might of the Troll Legion of Abxsor.

I'm half joking BUT SRSLY BRUH! Its not "pay to win" in the definition that it gives you higher I.lv or morale gear like the most common definition of pay to win is to be interpreted by the community, I've admitted that in my previous post... But it is pay to win if you're goals are to collect the vanity/mounts/minions, which was actually a goal people said to do when someone complained there was nothing to do in XIV (back before even CT), since said items are unobtainable by any other methods.

I mean, I'm genuinely curious why I bother sometimes, I don't even consider the cash shop that much of an evil to begin with... certainly not on the level of "I want to quit"....

[NyarukoW]

... But it is pay to win if you're goals are to collect the vanity/mounts/minions, .... since said items are unobtainable by any other methods. ....

If you can not obtain it in game, and must pay to get it, what exactly are your winning in game? If you have redefined the win condition to be collected every minion/ and mount in game plus those to be obtained outside of the game, wouldn't it be fair to have to use outside methods. i.e. pay for them, for those outside of the game?

Not saying that any thing and everything should be bought by money, but is there a good reason why SE should leave money on the table that rich players are willing give them? For the most part SE is not catering to the rich players, whales, but if SE wants to be inclusive of them let them have bragging rights about how silly they are with their money buying all those minions and mounts, is this really so terrible?

[Mook_Mook]

Delusional isn't name calling bro, it's a state of mind, which you guys are being a good job of putting on yourselves. Name calling would be more in the lines of moron, ninny.

not really. Dillusional is very commonly used as an insult especially in the way you used it. I'm dillusional because I don't see things your way. It has negative connotations. Attached bbut again good try

[Mook_Mook]

While not.directly stated Luna hishino is right. endgamr is more or less what is defined unspokenly through se and most mmo as winning or the ultimate goal of the majority. And majority rules