Microtransactions are here to stay. And they are a good thing.

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

The only thing that looks like is falling is the average IQ of gamers lately. "imma pay cause hurr durr i has money hurr".

Holy christ, what is this? The actual pure envy in this is remarkable.

If people have money, what is it to you if they want to spend it? Let me guess, you're one of those guys who rags on the guy with a better car because "Omg, it's stupid, you don't need that omg."

Here's a life tip for you. Some people have money. Some don't. What people spend their money doesn't affect you and nor does it increase your intelligence over others who spend money. Shit.

I'm shocked that people are complaining about cosmetic items. Actually shocked. You're not forced to buy these items. Not once. Don't like the fact that they're paid for? Then don't buy them. Move on with life.

And the tinfoil hats being donned in this thread is insane too. "They're going free to play, gj guys. Actually SPENDING money to play a game omg!"

WoW has had paid transactions for a while. Still running. Still consistent content. Same with EVE.

Also, Triple Triad will probably have booster packs that you can buy from the store. That is a given. Because it's a game based on cards. Almost every card game that you can use to play vs others, will always have transactions like that. This is simply remarkable.

[Giantbane]

Here's a life tip for you. Some people have money. Some don't. What people spend their money doesn't affect you ...

That's not true. Smart companies will read consumer behavior. So in this particular instance, if a significant enough portion of the consumer base will tolerate and embrace siphoning off content from what would otherwise be part of the base game and sticking a "premium" price tag on it, then the company is likely to cash in on it. This can mean less content for those who are paying the "base" price as resources are funneled to the "premium" content that makes additional money.

Also, Triple Triad will probably have booster packs that you can buy from the store. That is a given. Because it's a game based on cards. Almost every card game that you can use to play vs others, will always have transactions like that. This is simply remarkable.

How many card games do you have to pay a monthly fee to play, in addition to the booster packs?

[stoxastic]

That's not true. Smart companies will read consumer behavior. So in this particular instance, if a significant enough portion of the consumer base will tolerate and embrace siphoning off content from what would otherwise be part of the base game and sticking a "premium" price tag on it, then the company is likely to cash in on it. This can mean less content for those who are paying the "base" price as resources are funneled to the "premium" content that makes additional money.

They could also use this additional money into more content that they cannot possibly charge money for. They could take the revenues from cash shop and hire more designers for more content (more turns in coil, more dungeons, longer main scenario) or invest in their server infrastructures (less downtime and "emergency maintenance" that people always complain about).

[DefendPopPunk]

They could also use this additional money into more content that they cannot possibly charge money for. They could take the revenues from cash shop and hire more designers for more content (more turns in coil, more dungeons, longer main scenario) or invest in their server infrastructures (less downtime and "emergency maintenance" that people always complain about).

I was just saying this too. Yoshi-P mentioned before that some of the revenue from the cash shop would go towards more vanity stuff and towards other big costs such as moving servers to the EU. Could these types of things be funded without a cash shop is a better question, but nonetheless, that's what will be funding them.

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

That's not true. Smart companies will read consumer behavior. So in this particular instance, if a significant enough portion of the consumer base will tolerate and embrace siphoning off content from what would otherwise be part of the base game and sticking a "premium" price tag on it, then the company is likely to cash in on it. This can mean less content for those who are paying the "base" price as resources are funneled to the "premium" content that makes additional money.

That doesn't concern me in the slightest. If they want to put up a horse or a random minion, or god forbid, a bloody dress, for 5 pounds, then they can. If I like it and can afford it, I'll buy it. If I don't like it or can't afford it, I won't buy it. Then I'll move on with my life. Are you telling me that I should not buy things like this because less fortunate people cannot afford them? Is that what you are honestly telling me? What a completely absurd notion.

How many card games do you have to pay a monthly fee to play, in addition to the booster packs?

Triple Triad is coming out for the mobile APP that SE is releasing. That is where you play the game. That game simply will link up to FFXIV, where we will also be able to play the game. So you actually won't be playing a monthly payment for Triple Triad at all. Most people don't seem to understand this for some reason.

Let me make this clear.

YOU CAN STILL PLAY TRIPLE TRIAD WITHOUT HAVING TO SUB TO FFXIV.

Until the ash shop becomes pay to win, I have no problem with it at all.

[Giantbane]

That doesn't concern me in the slightest. If they want to put up a horse or a random minion, or god forbid, a bloody dress, for 5 pounds, then they can. If I like it and can afford it, I'll buy it. If I don't like it or can't afford it, I won't buy it. Then I'll move on with my life. Are you telling me that I should not buy things like this because less fortunate people cannot afford them? Is that what you are honestly telling me? What a completely absurd notion.

You said that a person spending money does not effect others and it's not true whether it concerns you or not. In this case it's not necessarily "envy" that's motivating some to be derogatory toward those who are encouraging SE to go down a path that they find to be a problem (cash shop). If nobody used the cash shop, then it wouldn't exist and nobody would question whether the cash shop content is truly extra or whether the base game is being held back in some way to encourage use of the cash shop. Or whether SE is actually going to stick to their word and that the cash shop will only be used for trivial items and won't start toeing the line with P2W items.

Personally I don't care about the current cash shop offerings, but I'm a little annoyed at where they're getting some of the content. To draw a clear line between what is part of the base game and what is premium content, it would have been preferable to limit cash shop to obvious external offerings. Someone earlier mentioned that material from other FF's would fit the bill. If they're offering things like a Cloud haircut, FFXIII's Odin mount, Vivi as a minion or whatever then that's stuff that's not part of the FFXIV universe and clearly "extra". However when they take something like FFXIV's Odin mount, which for all intents and purposes already existed in the game and then slap a premium price on it they're starting to muddy the waters a bit, regardless of whether I actually care about the content or not. It's not too much of a concern *now* but is it going to stay that way? They're already starting to push it a little further with the weddings.

The weddings, even though I have absolutely no interest in this content in the slightest, have been promoted as part of the game for months, with some of the "premium" offerings being touted as part of it (like the mount). Although it's all going to come down to how satisfactory the base content is for those who were looking forward to this feature. If the base offerings feel to bare bones as if to encourage the purchase of premium offerings, then it's a problem because then it looks like they're skimping on content to get people into the cash shop. So at this point it's just wait and see how it pans out.

Triple Triad is coming out for the mobile APP that SE is releasing. That is where you play the game. That game simply will link up to FFXIV, where we will also be able to play the game. So you actually won't be playing a monthly payment for Triple Triad at all. Most people don't seem to understand this for some reason.

I hadn't seen anything to that effect, but that makes more sense to have paid booster packs if it's a standalone application that can be played for free.

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

You said that a person spending money does not effect others and it's not true whether it concerns you or not. In this case it's not necessarily "envy" that's motivating some to be derogatory toward those who are encouraging SE to go down a path that they find to be a problem (cash shop). If nobody used the cash shop, then it wouldn't exist and nobody would question whether the cash shop content is truly extra or whether the base game is being held back in some way to encourage use of the cash shop. Or whether SE is actually going to stick to their word and that the cash shop will only be used for trivial items and won't start toeing the line with P2W items.

Personally I don't care about the current cash shop offerings, but I'm a little annoyed at where they're getting some of the content. To draw a clear line between what is part of the base game and what is premium content, it would have been preferable to limit cash shop to obvious external offerings. Someone earlier mentioned that material from other FF's would fit the bill. If they're offering things like a Cloud haircut, FFXIII's Odin mount, Vivi as a minion or whatever then that's stuff that's not part of the FFXIV universe and clearly "extra". However when they take something like FFXIV's Odin mount, which for all intents and purposes already existed in the game and then slap a premium price on it they're starting to muddy the waters a bit, regardless of whether I actually care about the content or not. It's not too much of a concern *now* but is it going to stay that way? They're already starting to push it a little further with the weddings.

The weddings, even though I have absolutely no interest in this content in the slightest, have been promoted as part of the game for months, with some of the "premium" offerings being touted as part of it (like the mount). Although it's all going to come down to how satisfactory the base content is for those who were looking forward to this feature. If the base offerings feel to bare bones as if to encourage the purchase of premium offerings, then it's a problem because then it looks like they're skimping on content to get people into the cash shop. So at this point it's just wait and see how it pans out.

The problem is, how can you say that they did not plan for that all along? The problem is, no one truly knows. Yet people are making these tinfoil hat worthy theories to suit their own view. And then they try to act condensing towards others for spending money they earned. If someone wants to buy all this, it's up to them. Not anyone else. You can complain about them making a market for these sort of things and you're right.

But that's the thing. People vote with their wallet. There are more people that want these than more than those that don't. Money speaks. And it's speaking Micro transactions. And people that want them aren't stupid. I've seen the rise and fall of too many MMOs and I've seen the patterns. Yet, currently, micro-transactions are simply the way forward. Much akin to the "casualisation" of content. I didn't like that, but understood that is simlpy, business plan speaking, the way forward. It is what makes most money and it is what people simply want.

I hadn't seen anything to that effect, but that makes more sense to have paid booster packs if it's a standalone application that can be played for free.

It wasn't a jab at you, but people don't seem to remember it to be honest. I'll post a link.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=935029
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...in-2015/.81160


There. I don't doubt however, that people will complain that Triple Triad will cost money for booster packs. It'll happen.