Defensive cooldowns for marginal DPS gain anyone?

[coldreactive]

It's called burst damage.

I still can do more damage than a bard in one hit most of the time, so I'm pretty sure Bard is still just plain "DPS" rather than "Burst" :P

[Thistledown]

if you do this, I will not heal you. You wanted extra dps, I'll give you extra dps.

[gamesmart]

snip because 1000 limit

That's not quite how BRD burst damage works. With Barrage tripling their number of auto-attacks, stacked on top of 20%, 10%, somewhere around 15%, and an additional 10% chance for 50%, and also increasing the chance for Bloodletter trait to proc, a fully buffed Bard can deal insane amounts of damage in a very, very small amount of time for the duration of their cooldowns, especially because they have no windup time. For them it's not about the size of the hits (though Bloodletter crits can go pretty high), it's about the sheer number of hits.

As for the original intent of this thread, I regularly eat Landslides with Manawall. No damage and no knockback. Manaward is less reliable due to the fact that it only absorbs some amount of damage, but helps in some cases. For non-BLMs, defensive cooldowns are far less reliable, so it's probably not worth it.

[Shori]

OP is not alone here. I do not do this in coil turns so much but dungeon runs and syrcus tower yes. I pair bloodbath with the crit rate boost to heal over time or secondwind for a post-apocolypse boost. Theres the other defence boost from maruader i use too but its not enough alone to outlast many AoEs. That said, healers rarely have to do more than keep regen on me if i drop below 50%

Monk makes a decent backup tank most of the time when you have skullsunder ready

[Altijacek]

if you do this, I will not heal you. You wanted extra dps, I'll give you extra dps.

I don't know if what I said makes you mad but...I specifically said DO NOT heal me. The point is I'll regenerate my HP over time and reduce damage taken with foresight/keen flurry/featherfoot and restore it back with second wind/bloodbath and/or maybe a potion

[Adrian74]

Personally I have macroed my defensive skills with my DPS, especially for advising of my intention to take some attacks while keep dpsing, or just for preparing before a mega-attack so healer wouldn't need to care much about it...

Too sad I have been kicked few times already because "being noisy"(As if I'd be spamming those things all the time, geez...)

But it's not a bad idea actually... For example in Tamtara Hard second boss, with my BLM I liked to activate manaward and the other defensive skill whose name I always forget... One is a stone skin for magic damage and the other nullify two physical attacks. When I activate those and run to the balls, healer already knows I'll be the one taking them and I'm prepared for it....

But well, it always depends (With my dragoon I advised "I won't take the damn balls")+

Ninja in my opnion, yes, I think damage is cool and all that and people calls them OP, but you don't have so many defensive traits and skills like other DPS...It is the melee with less survival skills in that case, you can use second wind, the parry and evasion ones and perfect dodge, but no foresight (20% + resistance, to all...) or bloodbath... (In case of monks, even temporally change to fists of earth). Monk in my opinion are very Overpowered in survival stuff...They can use a lot of defensive traits, they can use the always awesome-savior skill Mantra and even after mantra you can cast a powered up second wind + criticals to obtain a mega-critical heal. You can use mega-evasion, parry, foresight, bloodbath..

[kyuven]

i would certainly hope you wouldn't NEED to risk death to get a marginal DPS gain.

[Ehayte]

I used to do this kind of stuff more to build LB than anything. I would eat tethers in T6 or circle blade in T7 as a MNK then pop bloodbath / second wind.

The DPS gain... meh... its probably not worth the specific DPS gain, but I used to say in T7 to my healers, "Don't heal me, going to eat circle for LB and regain my own hp."

It happens, its certainly doable, but I don't know if it would be a good idea to operate under this auspice as a rule of thumb.

[Altijacek]

I used to do this kind of stuff more to build LB than anything. I would eat tethers in T6 or circle blade in T7 as a MNK then pop bloodbath / second wind.

The DPS gain... meh... its probably not worth the specific DPS gain, but I used to say in T7 to my healers, "Don't heal me, going to eat circle for LB and regain my own hp."

It happens, its certainly doable, but I don't know if it would be a good idea to operate under this auspice as a rule of thumb.

It depend on the fight, your comfort level with it, and your teammates.

[Bixby]

I stay in place for Garuda HM's first jump/shriek, with Second Wind afteward. That's the only place I intentionally eat damage with any regularity.

And I don't really do it for the extra GCD of damage. I just do it because I can. It's a common enough practice at this point (with light farm tactics making their way into regular parties) that I don't bother with warnings.