Myth Message being used to excluded players

[Ayanno]

I'm going to add a couple things to this stigma that some seem to have regarding the 100 tome message and being incapable of clearing content:

#1- In a Garuda EX farm party last week(going for ponies that don't exist) we enter and the message pops up. Now, normally I don't care if someone is brand new to a fight, we all start some where. Anyways, I asked who hadn't cleared and the healer piped up saying she hadn't yet cleared it. Since it was a farm party on easy content, I said let's give it one shot. We wiped the first try....but not because of the healer. Second attempt and we cleared. Had that message not shown, I never would have known that healer didn't already have that clear. She played flawlessly.

#2- I've been df'ing Titan EX for months attempting to get the clear, so much so that I know the entire fight, yet hadn't cleared it. 5% wipes on several occasions. Finally, I put it up in PF demanding that if someone wasn't 100% capable of clearing it, to not bother joining. It took a few attempts, but I finally got my clear. As a tank. I'd like to believe that had the rest of that clear party(bunch of SCoB folks, from the gear I saw) that had they not known before hand I didn't have the clear, they simply would've thought I'd cleared it many times before.

Also on Titan EX, there was a healer in one attempt a couple days prior that couldn't survive anything, plumes, landslides, sneezes whatever. He. Died. All. The. Time. Guess what? He had the clear for Titan, he even mentioned that it was possible to clear it with one healer because "he was dead his entire clear run".

You wouldn't get the message for that always-dead healer, but you would get the message for my-always last alive tank.

Just because that message pops up doesn't mean someone isn't capable of performing flawlessly and clearing the content. It just means that, for whatever reason, they have yet to do so, it is in no way on indication of skill.

[dspguy]

They should remove the myth message. I've been on both sides of it. I've been the guy needing the clear who has had experience but just not a group of 7 other people capable and I've been the experienced player with the clear helping out the guy needing the clear. In both cases, the people with clear experience can/have caused just as many wipes as the "new guy."

Prior to the "myth message" showing up, if someone messed up too many times, they'd get kicked. The same would hold true now. I'd still kick someone with clear experience if they joined a farm PT and made too many mistakes.

They should just get rid of the message entirely. It helps no one.

[Snugglebutt]

If agree with any of us who said the soldiery notification at start of dungeon, trial or raid runs is being misused whether misused in DF or PF (even if do not agree 100% with everything being said about it but agree on principle) then click on "like" here.

[LunarEmerald]

I can't believe people are defending joining farm parties without a clear. Yes, it's possible you are an expert and can farm it with the right group. But let's be real: that's a very low possibility. You need to have some kind of proof you're capable and not having the solidery message is the easiest proof to have. Otherwise you are a risk and liability. Yes, having a clear doesn't mean you're an expert but it's a much safer bet.

[LunarEmerald]

I'd be fine if square got rid of the message if they added a check box for PF to only allow clears to join. People only use the message to filter because there's no good alternative. PF leader should have full control of who's able to join and if they don't want partial clears then you just have to accept that or try to negotiate with them. Sneaking in is one of the most dishonest and deceitful things you can do in this game.

[Snugglebutt]

I'd be fine if square got rid of the message if they added a check box for PF to only allow clears to join. People only use the message to filter because there's no good alternative. PF leader should have full control of who's able to join and if they don't want partial clears then you just have to accept that or try to negotiate with them. Sneaking in is one of the most dishonest and deceitful things you can do in this game.

There is and has always been a very good alternative, it's called writing must have clears, link item or achievement in the PF listing. There is and always has been a way to handle anyone who lies which is writing in the PF listing die/fail=kick and that applies to anyone with clear or without clear who dies or fails where you do the same thing which is kick them. There is no reason good enough given so far as to why it needs to remain but there is quite a few valid and good reasons why it should be removed. It should be removed not only because it is not a reliable indicator of actual ability or competence during runs but also because it was never intended to be used against and to harm the people it was implemented to help, not forgetting it's abuse in other areas of the game and not only it's misuse in PF listings. It is not working as intended, it is being abused in DF and misused in PF and as such it should be removed.

[Ellatrix]

There is and has always been a very good alternative, it's called writing must have clears, link item or achievement in the PF listing. There is and always has been a way to handle anyone who lies which is writing in the PF listing die/fail=kick and that applies to anyone with clear or without clear who dies or fails where you do the same thing which is kick them. There is no reason good enough given so far as to why it needs to remain but there is quite a few valid and good reasons why it should be removed.

"Must have clear" is identical to "no 100 soldiery" in PF. You completely contradict yourself saying one is ok and not the other.

[ArniQQ]

I think this is a good thing. I remember back in the days when you made farming groups. You could easily see that some had never even beaten that content, or didnt know what to do at all. When you make a farming PF now-- you'll know.


Almost every time I see the message I thank the person for the extra tomes. I love it!

[aabe]

You are open to make your own PF groups for things you know.

[mosaicex]

It's their party, their rules. Frankly Why don't we even go extra setting like "Must clear X" tickbox option for parties in PF, so those people can get the people with clear like they wanted (regardless of how shitty they performed) and no more hurt feeling from people who get kicked because they couldn't read.

As for people who abandonded in DF (Which is probably Tanks and Healers 100% of the time), those people are assholes and SE might as well implement even harsher penalty for them (Never mind that DPSes might need longer time to find queue either!)

Regarding OP's topic. Myth messages stay, whether you like it or not.