Myth Message being used to excluded players

[LunarEmerald]

I can't believe people are defending joining farm parties without a clear. Yes, it's possible you are an expert and can farm it with the right group. But let's be real: that's a very low possibility. You need to have some kind of proof you're capable and not having the solidery message is the easiest proof to have. Otherwise you are a risk and liability. Yes, having a clear doesn't mean you're an expert but it's a much safer bet.

[AiChyan]

I can't believe people are defending joining farm parties without a clear. Yes, it's possible you are an expert and can farm it with the right group. But let's be real: that's a very low possibility. You need to have some kind of proof you're capable and not having the solidery message is the easiest proof to have. Otherwise you are a risk and liability. Yes, having a clear doesn't mean you're an expert but it's a much safer bet.

It is mind blowing. Last week I created a farm party on PF for T6. Upon joining we saw a soldiery message. I asked who was new, and there was silence. Clearers showed their high allagan gears or said to check their lodestone profiles. Someone suggested we should just go on ahead and try.
New person had us get devoured every single time. Two wipes later, we knew this was no longer a farm party and we disbanded.
Now I wish I blacklisted him.
The message just has to stay, breaking party rules to effectively get a carry is wrong. If someone thinks they are so good for reaching ~last phase~ then they should create their own clear party and not ride on coattails of farmers.

[Krr]

The message just has to stay, breaking party rules to effectively get a carry is wrong.

There are no other ways to check for player competency or a clear?

If a party leader is too lazy to inspect their own party, they deserve what they get. Back in the "Before-WoW-was-garbage" days good pug raiders were inspecting gear for accuracy caps and proper gemming, grilling shaky-but-bright looking newcomers on their fight experience, and if we *absolutely needed a clear* you took your own damn time out to armory the kid and check their achievement.

But, I mean, keep letting the 250DPS DRG into your groups because his FC carried him or he had a million gil lying around. Again, uou deserve what you get when your only means of screening is a cheevo.

You don't need a no-100-soldiery rule. You need a "fail = kick" rule.

[AiChyan]

You don't need a no-100-soldiery rule. You need a "fail = kick" rule.

I need both.
It was admittedly my fault for believing that I should give this newbie a chance, so my lesson was learned and I did implement stricter rules on my next PF.

[Edeline]

There are no other ways to check for player competency or a clear?

Giving how easy to get full i110 without stepping into coil, and i120 pieces since 2.4... How do you check someone who you already see it's geared (but never played with) and has achievement locked on lodestone? You either let them join hoping for the best or kick them if you're not confident enough, and the latter would generate more rage on this "discrimination" complaint going on.

Just gotta deal with it. It's a fact that many many people sneak into FARM recruits to get clears and people expecting smooth runs to farm several runs, and instead they keep wiping for an hour or more because that "experienced" players clearly doesn't know the (not so much anymore) unforgiving mechanics. Can't blame players that want to FARM content they already learnt before, and can't blame them for wanting smooth runs and not wasting their time on liars.

[Brill_]

You need a "fail = kick" rule.

That's just as stupid. We are all human, we all make mistakes. None of us are perfect. Peyton Manning doesn't complete 100% of his passes. Lebron James doesn't make 100% of his shots. Mistakes can happen no matter how experienced one is.

The elitists intolerance of failure in this game is stupid. If you don't accept random results, don't play with random people.

They should make a server for all the elitists to join. Then that way they complete every run on the first try and NEVER die.

[LunaHoshino]

Mistakes can happen no matter how experienced one is.

Especially in things that rely on RNG. I've lost track of how many times groups I've been in have wiped in T8 because of unfortunately-placed landmines.

[Staris]

Especially in things that rely on RNG. I've lost track of how many times groups I've been in have wiped in T8 because of unfortunately-placed landmines.

A landmine can spawn on you, and you can avoid it.... so

no.

[LunaHoshino]

A landmine can spawn on you, and you can avoid it.... so

no.

Sure, unless all three of them spawn clumped together on one side in such a way that the DPS and healers get to choose between eating the damage from two or three of them being triggered, dodging and pushing a tower, or dodging in front of the Avatar and risking getting hit by the cleave.

[Ellatrix]

You need a "fail = kick" rule.

"Fail = kick" is a good way to find out which party leaders are themselves poor. A true experienced group knows how to take mistakes and roll with them and recover, because they happen now and then when you've killed the thing 20, 30, 50, 100 times.

This is still obviously multiple clears required, which means no soldiery bonus.

Especially in things that rely on RNG. I've lost track of how many times groups I've been in have wiped in T8 because of unfortunately-placed landmines.

Landmines is one of the most straightforward mechanics in the run. There's basically no RNG involved in T8 anymore with the tower damage being much lower so that even field on person who should go into the next one isn't an issue.