Bard needs some love too.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

This is how bards really parse in final coil - http://puu.sh/cNmNU/9e2270792f.png
You'll never get a top spot if you have good MNK, DRG, NIN, BLM in your party (probably a SMN too, but I haven't seen one perfomance in fcob).

Is that you? Because if that's the case, that is how YOU really parse in FCoB, not "bards".
Our static's Bard pulls around 360-380, without HA weapon and while singing two or three times during the fight.

Very odd.

[Exstal]

Is that you? Because if that's the case, that is how YOU really parse in FCoB, not "bards".
Our static's Bard pulls around 360-380, without HA weapon and while singing two or three times during the fight.

Very odd.

...he's the WAR in the screenshot.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

...he's the WAR in the screenshot.

Damn, I'm retarded.

Feel free to insult me :/

Still, I believe that 370 is perfectly reasonable.

[Felessan]

Is that you? Because if that's the case, that is how YOU really parse in FCoB, not "bards".
Our static's Bard pulls around 360-380, without HA weapon and while singing two or three times during the fight.

No, not me, just random parse as an example. I see a lot of bard parses around this point, sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less.
I do believe that one can pull close to 400 or even slightly above it with perfect execution and no/very short song duration, but it'll still be below dps range of the main dps force.

[Craiger]

It's very few fights in the endgame where BRD should even be close to top DPS... You are doing something extremely wrong if you let a BRD do more damage than you as a MNK/NIN, and DRG/SMN should be ahead too, only BLM is acceptable to be even near BRD's DPS.

BRD is the worst made job at the moment IMO, cause Ballad is just a way to patch over their uselessness... I know that sounds dumb, because they are in every raid group, but you can't just balance it based on how useful a job is in a group.

They could nerf BRD's DPS, and groups would still bring them to the fights, does that sound fair for the BRD's? They want to be more than just a walking mana-ward....

Foe's gives your group about half the DPS that Trick Attack does in a normal group composition. DRG's piercing debuff does more overall added dps to the group than it, and DRG's get it from just another combo in their rotation... Keep in mind that BRD's DPS includes an overall increase of 10% damage if a DRG is in the party, and they still fall behind... and I consider that added DPS to DRG's.

I don't even main BRD, I main NIN right now, and I have played DRG for a year before that... BRD being mobile is just a bad excuse, cause as a DRG I lose barely no up-time at all, and I can do my rotation in the sleep while dodging mechanics just as easily as BRD.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Keep in mind that BRD's DPS includes an overall increase of 10% damage if a DRG is in the party, and they still fall behind... and I consider that added DPS to DRG's.

This is the usual misconception about Disembowel.

No, there is no 10% damage increase to bards. It's 6-7% at most.

[Sleigh]

It's very few fights in the endgame where BRD should even be close to top DPS... You are doing something extremely wrong if you let a BRD do more damage than you as a MNK/NIN, and DRG/SMN should be ahead too, only BLM is acceptable to be even near BRD's DPS.

What the ... why would you suggest this? Maybe on T11. Otherwise BLM is only behind NIN/MNK in almost every piece of content in the game, with multiple out-dated contents having BLM top DPS like T4, T5, and certain primals.

DRG and SMN are more likely to be near BRD DPS than BLM in most content.

[Craiger]

What the ... why would you suggest this? Maybe on T11. Otherwise BLM is only behind NIN/MNK in almost every piece of content in the game, with multiple out-dated contents having BLM top DPS like T4, T5, and certain primals.

DRG and SMN are more likely to be near BRD DPS than BLM in most content.

I'm a little outdated with DRG play at the moment, but why has it suddenly changed? I don't know about SMN, but as a DRG I have always been far ahead of BLM, and their buff shouldn't have been that huge... DRG's have always been about 8-10% DPS behind MNK, and BRD like 25% behind MNK

EDIT: Also, DRG and SMN are more likely to be near BRD DPS? I hope you put much emphasis on more there... Even if BLM is ahead of them, that doesn't mean BRD is any closer to them.

[Rose-Wild]

Ok so in regards to Ooshima i thought it was pretty obvious that i was being sarcastic. I know this is the internet and it's not that easy to see it...... Hes post was a joke.

To be honest the gear scaling is probably the biggest issue and if they fixed that i would be happy too. If that Bard did like 370 dps in t11 with a 130 weapon that shows how badly we need a fix to that because my average there is like 350-360 with a high allagan weapon and i doubt that the Bard of that party is bad at his job.

Also maybe a nice buff would be to make our dots magic damage so that they get affected by requiem but that might be a problem for t11.

And imo the only other dps Job that is usually around us is summ, but i think they are pretty good for t12 and t13. Imo they should get a buff to mana regen or make their spells consume less mana tho.

[Exstal]

Summoner actually sucks for all of Final Coil. Black Mage is the better choice.

Finite MP < Infinite MP