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  1. #21
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    kyuven's Avatar
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    Chen Kotomi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellatrix View Post
    You can't just ignore VIT too... people always like to ignore VIT for some reason I don't understand.
    Oh I totally agree with you on that. VIT's important, but i'm trying to get him to prove me wrong on a pure damage potential level (though it does kind of cheese me off that both the coil and poetics chests for bards have skill speed...)
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  2. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellatrix View Post
    How is crafted i110, when the current top tier is i130, a problem? It isn't a problem. Pentamelded i110 puts it on about par to ~i120 gear only.
    His post made sense, yours does not. Please enroll in the nearest ESL class so you can improve your reading comprehension.
    i110 gear only puts it on par with i120 gear right? Let's see how true that is.

    Kirimu Coat (i110 crafted gear): Dexterity +39 Vitality +46 Accuracy +41 Determination +20 +39 Crit

    Ironworks Coat of Aiming (i120 gear): Dexterity +45 Vitality +52 Skill Speed +44 Accuracy +31
    Yup. That i110 piece definitely blows the Poetic gear out of the water. Hell, it blows the i130 piece out of the water. He could make it even better if he tweaked his materia choices a bit, but it's still superior. Looks like you decided to post before researching. Next time you want to insult someone over a forum, please make sure you know what you're talking about, because now you look dumb.
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauvanistic View Post
    i110 gear only puts it on par with i120 gear right? Let's see how true that is.

    Kirimu Coat (i110 crafted gear): Dexterity +39 Vitality +46 Accuracy +41 Determination +20 +39 Crit

    Ironworks Coat of Aiming (i120 gear): Dexterity +45 Vitality +52 Skill Speed +44 Accuracy +31
    Yup. That i110 piece definitely blows the Poetic gear out of the water. Hell, it blows the i130 piece out of the water. He could make it even better if he tweaked his materia choices a bit, but it's still superior. Looks like you decided to post before researching. Next time you want to insult someone over a forum, please make sure you know what you're talking about, because now you look dumb.
    ... So you compare the worst ilvl120 piece to the best possible 110 piece meld. This is ONE case, ONE.
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  4. #24
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    Ellatrix Reatori
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauvanistic View Post
    i110 gear only puts it on par with i120 gear right? Let's see how true that is.

    Kirimu Coat (i110 crafted gear): Dexterity +39 Vitality +46 Accuracy +41 Determination +20 +39 Crit

    Ironworks Coat of Aiming (i120 gear): Dexterity +45 Vitality +52 Skill Speed +44 Accuracy +31
    Yup. That i110 piece definitely blows the Poetic gear out of the water. Hell, it blows the i130 piece out of the water. He could make it even better if he tweaked his materia choices a bit, but it's still superior. Looks like you decided to post before researching. Next time you want to insult someone over a forum, please make sure you know what you're talking about, because now you look dumb.
    I forgot there's only one i130 armor piece. If only there was one that had DET on it too... oh wait!

    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/e05bc97463c/

    I know this is something you won't see until the expansion, but for some of us this is already attainable.
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  5. #25
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    CL admitted to having to sell runs to people for a month prior to the patch just to get penta-melded gear to beat final coil.

    Do you want even more run selling, so the 1% can be even more exclusive?
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  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellatrix View Post
    You can't just ignore VIT too... people always like to ignore VIT for some reason I don't understand.
    You just made my point for me.

    Lets look at an i90 crafted ring vs an i130 ring for a dps.


    Iolite Ring (Crafted i90 ring) +13 Dex, +16 crit, +9 Acc, +15 Vit, +8 Det.


    Dreadwyrm Ring of Aiming (i130 ring) +23 Dex, 22 Skill Speed, 22 Det


    Since he can wear two of the same Crafted Ring, he's getting +30 vit. Which is the reason most of these DPS are sitting at a little under 7000 HP in these t13 kill videos.
    And since you have no idea what you're talking about/clearly didn't read my opening post, I'm sure you were about to make a comment about the lack of Dex. That's also my point. With materia slots, that could be adjusted. It's all up to the user. Much more flexibility than the coil gear. You can go for raw damage, or sacrifice a little damage for a moderate increase in HP. Have a good day. (^:
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  8. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by polyhedral View Post
    CL admitted to having to sell runs to people for a month prior to the patch just to get penta-melded gear to beat final coil.

    Do you want even more run selling, so the 1% can be even more exclusive?
    Let's compare the pros with the cons.


    Pros

    1. Materia is more relevant

    2. More customization due to having choice in what stat you want to spec in.

    3. The gear you get from the highest level raids, which is, y'know, the whole point of doing them, stays relevant and at the top which is where it should be.


    Cons: Certain high end FC's sell runs to crafters in exchange for Penta-Melded gear.



    Idk. Seems like a pretty obvious choice to me but I guess different folks, different strokes.
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  9. #28
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    I don't know about adding materia to coil gear but I will say i110 pentameld gear is overpowered by a fair margin. Taking cost factor out of the equation and it does seem a bit of a kick in the pants to more common raiders.
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  10. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by polyhedral View Post
    CL admitted to having to sell runs to people for a month prior to the patch just to get penta-melded gear to beat final coil.

    Do you want even more run selling, so the 1% can be even more exclusive?


    Raiders selling runs to people (many times crafters), in turn to finance new crafted gear to push the next tier hard. It's like you can use gil to exchange goods and services between people!
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  11. #30
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    I feel that if people actually experienced how cringe-worthy even getting to 4* crafting is...they'd appreciate crafting gear more...

    Eithercase, I feel that materia should be exclusive to crafting; it's another way of getting gear toward end game raiding in the same sense as poetics. However, this isn't applicable to every class depending on what top their poeteic has.

    In the case of bard, I'm extremely turned off by just how much skill speed my poetetic top has. Don't think it's the case other classes like ninja that have acc and det. But there's also the break point where crafted gear simply cannot compete with the sheer amount of primary stats (DEX/INT/STR/VIT) that's provided by a gear...and that breaking point would be the coil (ilvl130) equips.
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