Ninja seems a bit broken

[silentwindfr]

I just don't want nin nerfed due to bias and stacking of the job, I think nin is at a good place in between Drgs burst damage and mnks sustained.

that the point, you see the jobs in a classement, where they probably don't even see them like this (the develloper) they probably look at the stats and see if the difference are not too much (like said 10-20 dps at best)
people want to say, this jobs is better than another... when you have no reason to do this. they try to balance the game in a way that every jobs is usefull for a group.

about the burst dps, sorry ninja have a better burst than dragoon :x it can land some burst of 3000+ when well played. (sneak/trick attack+ aeolian edge + raiton)

[Maero]

Really no real testing or not much has been done with NIN yet so none can argue that Monk is ST dps king and none can say that it still is.
Some of you can argue high about how YOU don't believe NIN can do more damage, honestly it's too early to know for sure.
Would it be so bad if NIN did do more dmg, or would it hurt egos?

[Leonus]

that the point, you see the jobs in a classement, where they probably don't even see them like this (the develloper) they probably look at the stats and see if the difference are not too much (like said 10-20 dps at best)
people want to say, this jobs is better than another... when you have no reason to do this. they try to balance the game in a way that every jobs is usefull for a group.

about the burst dps, sorry ninja have a better burst than dragoon :x it can land some burst of 3000+ when well played. (sneak/trick attack+ aeolian edge + raiton)

I respectfully disagree, I came from drg main and drgs burst is pretty high.

A well geared drg on opening burst rotation can hit higher than that. Power surge + spines hatter dive + life surge + full thrust with dragonfire dive and enhanced B4B all timed out in the opening rotation for those that know it. If you add in nins TA boost in a timely fashion then drgs will do even more. When they line up again or you save them for burn phases in fights it's pretty hard to top unless you're a blm.

Really no real testing or not much has been done with NIN yet so none can argue that Monk is ST dps king and none can say that it still is.
Some of you can argue high about how YOU don't believe NIN can do more damage, honestly it's too early to know for sure.
Would it be so bad if NIN did do more dmg, or would it hurt egos?

You already know this going to hurt egos and party compositions to an extent.

[silentwindfr]

I respectfully disagree, I came from drg main and drgs burst is pretty high.

you know what? don't believe me, test it by yourself, i can talk because i do have the jobs to 50 and can see the difference.

ps: i love how you can say stuff that are... well funny.

the combo you just discribe is a spine hatter dive + power surge = 255 potency, full thrust + life surge = 330 potency in critical and dragon dive at 250.

the combo i did discribe is Trick attack = 400 potency, aeolian edge = 320 potency and raiton (that is used with kassatsu, or you can use it there) = 360 potency in critical.
if you use sneak attack = 500 potency ^^

go try the ninja and judge by yourself instead talk without even did try it. the world did change.

[Leonus]

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That's cool that you can get snarky, considering I also have the jobs 50. Potency is NOT the only thing that matters in this game. It's also what's being used, with what and when. Buffs matter and those attacks you listed hit for really high numbers when combined correctly. If you would read and see I said opening burst rotation maybe you wouldn't have come off that way. If you think drgs burst rotation is hitting for less than 3 damage you are mistaken, considering life surge + full thrust is hitting for 1.5k damage or more just by itself. And power surge + SSD is hitting for around 900 or more. Which is already 2.4k and we haven't factored in the other stuff such as DFD and just jump.

Ps: still laughing at you snarky comment that wasn't necessary, especially when I said I respectfully disagree.

[Alistaire]

Isn't it a 10 second buff that can be used every minute? 10+10+10+10+10=50seconds 50seconds/60seconds = .83333 or 83.33%

Yeah have fun coordinating that. You'll still have a lot but considering you need to suiton then do it you won't have 5 nin timing it perfectly in succession while handling mechanics.

if you use sneak attack = 500 potency ^^

You should probably take that part out of your post. Something about the whole "if you use sneak attack in group content at 50 you're missing out on trick attack, since they're shared recast.

[silentwindfr]

err... you are really a troll is not possible other way... we are talking of burst and you say yourself "...attacks you listed hit for really high numbers when combined correctly." i did list you my combinaison. (ok i haven't tell you the whole combo. but if you have ninja 50 you can figure easily how do it.) and after this you begin to try to make look like this can't beat the dragoon burst. sadly it beat it already, any ninja will tell you it. the three skill chain like i have told you destroy any burst the dragoon can have... it's quite extreme and can be done only every 2 minutes (kassatsu CD).

anyway, i'm sure any ninja can come here and tell you that 2.4k damage is really easy to do with only trick attack + aeolian edge combined... since both will hit for 1300+ in critical (with an atma weapon).... but whatever, you look like you want absolutly to make ninja look like less powerfull than the dragoon and monk, fair enough, that you right to believe this.... however, do it is the reality, no.

ps: my comment is hard, mostly because after say you respectfully disagree you take me for an idiot by giving me a combinaison that don't even can be said as optimal... since jump will deal more damage than spineshatter dive and since you can use full thrust it means you was already to melee then use jump is not hard.

You should probably take that part out of your post. Something about the whole "if you use sneak attack in group content at 50 you're missing out on trick attack, since they're shared recast.

you can't trick attack the kraken...

Their perfect dodge lets them avoid any physical attack in the game. This includes dive bombs (T5), meteor stream (T9) etc

they can only avoid one physical attack ever 180 second that target them... it's far to be OP.

[LunarEmerald]

Ninjas have very high dps. On par with monks and have faster start up and don't have to worry about losing GL stacks
Kassatsu lets Ninja have high burst. Raiton -> Kassatsu -> Raiton (guaranteed crit)
Their ninjutsu is free to cast. They even have a fairly strong range attack ninjutsu they can use for free.
Their increased speed makes it easier to avoid aoes and attacks. And unlike monk, they don't sacrifice their dps to have that speed.
None of their attacks have positional requirements.
They have an easy to access silence and stun.
Goad is on par with peaon for a single target and it doesn't decrease their dps.
Their perfect dodge lets them avoid any physical attack in the game. This includes dive bombs (T5), meteor stream (T9) etc

Ninjas are OP

[LunarEmerald]

they can only avoid one physical attack ever 180 second that target them... it's far to be OP.

It's utility for them. During T9 when Nael comes down on the tank in the last phase, instead of moving away and losing dps. You can just perfect dodge it. It's just something extra that neither monk nor dragoon have.

[Leonus]

Wow, IF AE crits, drgs burst rotations are forced damage increases. Unless I'm missing something, like suiton making TA a forced crit, Raiton is the only forced damage increase in that combo. If TA is a forced crit after suiton then I retract what I'm saying. If AE is a forced crit, then i retract what im saying. However I don't believe that's the case. Drgs full thrust is a forced critical hit after life surge. SSD is forced to do 50% more damage after using power surge (or just jump for that matter, I've hit high jump numbers too after power surge over 1k)

If we're throwing "IFs" in there then DFD if it crits does around 1k and regular jump afterwards hits around 7-800.

I'm not saying nin doesn't have high burst, I'm not saying nin doesn't have high sustained. I simply disagreed with you, then pointed out some things.

What I said was, it has less sustained than mnk ( in the ideal situation) and less burst than drg. Nin is awesome, I love the class, it's my new main. I however am looking at it objectively and trying not to let my fascination with the job make the class do more than what it's actually doing.

I don't want the job nerfed due to the community's gross overreaction to the new job.