How would you break it to someone that their DPS is awful?

[CGMidlander]

"Awful", as in you can see so little enmity generated, and feel the phases pass noticeably slowly when the person in question is in the party that even without parsing, you know they are doing bad damage?

Suppose that the person in question is that awful of a DPS player, but is a great tank and would be a shame to lose over quibbles because the person in question can be touchy about criticism.

What would you do?

[Codek]

Find out what they are doing wrong and tell them how they could fix/improve it.

[Bigcat9715]

Easy, tell them their "dps sucks and get better at the game look up some rotations," then kick them from the group. They will feel so bad that they may look up some rotation or go back to doing what they do best. I know it hurts, but its tough love. :P

[Seiryuukishi]

I would let them be. No one is going to be great at everything. Sure there is always room for improvement somewhere but don't call them out in front of people. That's disrespectful. Wait until the run is done and pull them aside, If they're on your server or in fc, and explain to them you noticed a lull. If you play that class offer tips and even show them on a training dummy. Visuals help a lot. There are better ways of handling this than being a douche bag lol.

[Tiggy]

I would let them be. No one is going to be great at everything.

We had a FC member who was quite honestly as awful as the OP's scenario. Every party would noticeably be hindered by their presence and it was detectable without any parsers. We let it be too and in the end you know what happened? He was always left behind on the sidelines because people started avoiding him for any and all content. This passive aggressive solution isn't a solution. It's running away and not dealing with it and in my experience it made things worse and made that player feel ostracized. Be direct and kind but don't ignore it.

[Seiryuukishi]

Snip.

The trouble with that is this generation of gamers have this illness known as "entitlement". These players have to deal with crap shoots as to what sort of behavior they'll get in regards to gameplay because as previous comments have shown a lot of people take this game WAY too seriously. Screw up in Coil one time? You're a social outcast. You get kicked, the babies throw a hissie fit because thirty minutes of twenty-four hours didn't end in perfection and people wonder why most don't even bother trying anymore. With a player base like that who in their right state of mind would blame them for not giving a rat's ass. But then when they encounter someone who genuinely wants to help without being asinine or wanting to come off as such they're already on the defensive because? You guessed it. Morons who think they got life all figured out because they beat a raid. Kudos to you guys. You accomplished nothing important.

But no my intention was that you don't call them out in raid otherwise you get previously stated behavior. The "Jock and Nerd" mentality needs to gtfo. Time to grow up and act like you have some manners (not you personally). Ignoring the problem does not make it vanish but neither does getting bent out of shape over it either. If you're only solution to a problem is to lose your temper keep your mouth shut and go live in the woods. You belong with the beasts in the wilds.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Easy, tell them their "dps sucks and get better at the game look up some rotations," then kick them from the group. They will feel so bad that they may look up some rotation or go back to doing what they do best. I know it hurts, but its tough love. :P

Treating someone like crap is the absolute worst way to try and illicit a positive change in behaviour.

[Genesis-xyx]

If I notice DPS seems to be lacking I will try to keep an eye on the rotation they are using, if i notice any flaws I will politely say something along the lines of "why don't you try this out, maybe it will work better for you, I've noticed it helps me out a lot". Never say something that will make them feel flawed, and if possible maybe say it away from other people in private chat, keeps the person from feeling embarrassed.

[CGMidlander]

I would let them be. No one is going to be great at everything. Sure there is always room for improvement somewhere but don't call them out in front of people. That's disrespectful. Wait until the run is done and pull them aside, If they're on your server or in fc, and explain to them you noticed a lull.

If I notice DPS seems to be lacking I will try to keep an eye on the rotation they are using, if i notice any flaws I will politely say something along the lines of "why don't you try this out, maybe it will work better for you, I've noticed it helps me out a lot". Never say something that will make them feel flawed, and if possible maybe say it away from other people in private chat, keeps the person from feeling embarrassed.

Thanks. PMs are a good idea.

And yes, not everyone can or has to be great at their class. But it is concerning when an ilvl100-something DPS class somehow averages less damage than a comparably geared WAR (In fending accessories) in Defiance.

[RiceisNice]

Thanks. PMs are a good idea.

And yes, not everyone can or has to be great at their class. But it is concerning when an ilvl100-something DPS class somehow averages less damage than a comparably geared WAR (In fending accessories) in Defiance.

You cannot execute that command while bound by duty.

...no seriously why is that even a thing? If this is during a dungeon run, there's no way to word it out other than party chat if they're not in your FC or linkshell.