Please DO alter Dark Knight AF for female characters.

[Kallera]

I just wish we had better options than man-gear (noct lorica for example) or stripper (coliseum gear). There are other games with made to fit armor that look good. I think the DRG AF gear is splendid, but for that exposed belly. =_=

I kind of wonder how many against the too-much-exposed-skin look are women irl. I am. I want to look bad-ass, not like a hooker (or like a freight train either >< )

You don't need to wish, there are plenty of choices in between, even for DRGs. My 2 favorite looks were brought together using 1-50 gear.

[saber_alter]

no thanks.

[Theresa]

Just came here to say that men can't say a thing about sexism.

BYES

[Krr]

You are still talking about don't make outfits because not practical and "sexist" and "not artistic"...which you later on basically fall flat on your ass as you deny the artists any right to be CREATIVE. Being "consistent" should not be a goal, it should be an OPTION. "

I asked specifically for AF armor, and no other set in the game, to be artistically consistent between genders, because they are iconic pieces of Final Fantasy lore. Because I would like the option to have an armor set that lets me represent my female character as a Dark Knight in the same way male characters do, whereas the option to wear sexy bikini armor already exists and will continue to be expanded upon by other means.

The artists are not creating a means of personal expression. They are creating products for a video game to be sold under capitalism, which will also be 'worn' by peoples' virtual characters, and I'm giving them my feedback as to what I'd like to see. They may inherently personally express their own creativity through the art they create, but the purpose of that is considered incidental and they will go through multiple revisions at the demands of their leaders (some of whom are not artists) regardless of what we do or say.

[Scarletyoshi]

There is a long established fact that depictions of women in popular media, especially games but really everywhere, are designed for one audience: straight males. Don't mistake me; sexy costumes are awesome, sexy costumes are cool. But when the basis for differentiating a male vs female costume is that the female costume is less revealing, solely because it's a female costume and thus should be sexy; that is sexist. You can argue that sexism isn't a bad thing, you can argue that this particular brand of sexism is relatively harmless, but you don't get to say it's not sexist. You cant have your cheesecake and eat it to.

And yes, I understand sexist is a meanie word and how dare anyone call anybody such a meanie word and have you no respect and it's not my game and why am I making demands how entitled , etc etc etc. For most people sexism isn't something that is done maliciously or even consciously. It's just an inherent bias in the way we think about men vs women. "Men should be powerful, women should be sexy." I'm not attacking anyone, my favorite X Man is Emma Frost, but one google search can tell you that she is the very definition of cheesecake. That's the way it is. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't think about our attitudes. If the dragoon armor will be sexy it should be because dragoons are sexy and both male and female costumes should reflect that.

[Grey_Cain]

There is a long established fact that depictions of women in popular media, especially games but really everywhere, are designed for one audience: straight males. Don't mistake me; sexy costumes are awesome, sexy costumes are cool. But when the basis for differentiating a male vs female costume is that the female costume is less revealing, solely because it's a female costume and thus should be sexy; that is sexist. You can argue that sexism isn't a bad thing, you can argue that this particular brand of sexism is relatively harmless, but you don't get to say it's not sexist. You cant have your cheesecake and eat it to.

And yes, I understand sexist is a meanie word and how dare anyone call anybody such a meanie word and have you no respect and it's not my game and why am I making demands how entitled , etc etc etc. For most people sexism isn't something that is done maliciously or even consciously. It's just an inherent bias in the way we think about men vs women. "Men should be powerful, women should be sexy." I'm not attacking anyone, my favorite X Man is Emma Frost, but one google search can tell you that she is the very definition of cheesecake. That's the way it is. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't think about our attitudes. If the dragoon armor will be sexy it should be because dragoons are sexy and both male and female costumes should reflect that.

By the way, it is just as sexist to assume that DRK AF armor will be made sexy for the simple fact that it is intended for females. Armor in this game should be made to look like something that both the men and women that will be wearing it would agree that they would want to wear, and it should be similar though not necessarily identical in design across both genders. Just tossing male armor on a female doesn't make it gender-neutral, and just altering armor to female silhouettes doesn't make it cheesecake.

Of all the AF's, only Dragoon's is truly bad (maybe BRD's too), and that's just because of the belly window. The rest of the DRG armor is perfectly fine. I think a more productive thread than either this or the other thread would be to ask that the female DRG belly window be closed once and for all....in fact, just give me a few minutes. >_>

[HakuroDK]

If people want sexy armor, it should be available to all genders. Don't force women (or men, for that matter) into the gender role boxes. It's not cool.

You want to be a female wearing a metal bikini, the Coliseum/Light Steel set is right there, ripe for the taking. The DoA Beach Volleyball look? There are swimsuits available. And if you want more, ask for new gear. Don't ask for gender variants to the same piece of gear. Pretty sure that's sexist. Also, asking for gender changes would completely undermine the gender equality in 99% of gear sets already in the game.

Asking for a gender variant to a single piece of gear is like asking "I want this design, but I don't want the opposite sex wearing the same design." If you want to alter the Dark Knight AF to show skin, do it for both genders. Don't do it for just one.

I can't stress enough that there is already "sexy" gear available and glamour prisms to match. Please do not ruin Dark Knight for people who want to take the job seriously.

[Scarletyoshi]

By the way, it is just as sexist to assume that DRK AF armor will be made sexy for the simple fact that it is intended for females.

That's not what sexism is, it's not a buzz word we can toss on anything we want.

There's a difference between accommodating the feminine mystique and a boob window with a side of thighs. We'll see what happens with drg armor.

[Grey_Cain]

That's not what sexism is, it's not a buzz word we can toss on anything we want.

Yeeeaaahhhh, about that....

There's a difference between accommodating the feminine mystique and a boob window with a side of thighs. We'll see what happens with drg armor.

Where did you get your idea that female DRK AF is going to be "a boob window with a side of thighs"? Oh, that's right. You made it up. You and everyone else using that same argument. Because you're conflating "female armor" with "female oversexualization".

[Xhominid]

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1. Last time I checked, DRK AF never looked like that before. Even the most memorable one looked EXACTLY like Cecil's or had a bit more armor plating, but was still on some level skintight. This one just looks like a "darker" PLD outfit so yeah, it doesn't tickle my fancy like Monk AF or DRG AF. And that's the thing, I mainly want it to be FORM FITTING LIKE A DRK OUTFIT SHOULD, men, women, I don't care. The rest of it, I can see your point, but atleast make it different THAN PALADIN.

2. Yeah no, sorry bro, doesn't work like that. By that logic, they SHOULD just do a hack job and just make stuff because of business. They could easily toss out the same crap and call it "better" and make it exactly the same(Like TERA). FFXIV actually DOES give some differences and stylish armor here and there. So yes, it still falls under artistic expression, not just business.