My question too, and consern for the community.

[Riley]

To start, I know my ranks/physical level are not high as I have only recently (withing the past two weeks) started playing full time but, I think this needs to be said.

I am able to see why people are angry at this patch as it was a very large change and it was only a small part of what is to come but, all of this fighting amongst ourselves will do no good. (I'm looking at you post entitled "SP nerfed. We were lied to.") Instead of pointing fingers at each other; or at Yoshi-P for that matter; why doesn't the community begin to help one another out?

When FFXI come to the united states it was already prepackaged with the first expansion. Leveling camps were already somewhat established by the Japanese community that had had the game at least a full year before hand so not much work was needed on our part other then learning of them.

When new expansions were released we found new camps to compliment the ones we had, we had posted guides to help with getting the keys for Kazham and other such missions, people at that time at least helped to get things established for the community.

Now, Yoshi-P had made the statement that Guild Leves will no longer be the main focus on gaining levels but in fact be more catered to players who do not have a lot of time to play and a supplement to SP gain. That's fine, now that we have that information why don't we as a community (the founding fathers so to speak) of FFXIV lay the groundwork for the community as a whole and for future players.

Why don't we go out as a party of 4 or as a solo player, search for the leveling camps, search for the mobs that net good SP/hr that have decent re-spawn rates, test the areas and see how many parties/soloer the camps we find can support and present them to the community and help each other out instead of bickering amongst ourselves.

We're never going to get anywhere if we don't start somewhere. The changes will come and we will all have to adapt to them. People are saying they don't like auto attack but, FFXI had auto attack and I don't see anyone griping that it sucked. We were used to spamming one button to attack and gain TP, now that it has been made more like FFXIs' system more passive, people are angry? I honestly don't understand that especially if it's coming from former players or current players of FFXI.

All in all, I'm just saying why don't we start acting as a community rather then individuals.

One last thing. Yes, I've played around with the party invite feature and yeah, it is a bit clunky. Could it work better? Yes, it could but at this time it doesn't. The forums are here for a reason, the devs have shown that they read them. If we want our voices heard we can, in a calm manner voice our opinions and concerns and hope that they listen and hope for the best. That is all we can do.

[alexi14]

Lol @ lecture by con 17 AND 1st post.

*quotes woodland forest critter*

"Now don't get down yall."

[Joeking]

All in all, I'm just saying why don't we start acting as a community rather then individuals.

Team is Me.

[alexi14]

Because I think... they are real. It's all real. Think about it. Haven't Luke Skywalker and Santa Claus affected your lives more than most real people in this room? I mean, whether Jesus is real or not, he... he's had a bigger impact on the world than any of us have. And the same could be said of Bugs Bunny and, a-and Superman and Harry Potter. They've changed my life, changed the way I act on the Earth. Doesn't that make them kind of "real." They might be imaginary, but, but they're more important than most of us here. And they're all gonna be around long after we're dead. So in a way, those things are more realer than any of us.

[Yumi_Hibiki]

Lol @ lecture by con 17 AND 1st post.

*quotes woodland forest critter*

"Now don't get down yall."

says the mighty goddess of war with no fighting class over 31, what makes you so special?

i think op has a good point but i guess it will mostly fall on deaf ears cause whining is more comfortable than actually working together.

[Dubont]

says the mighty goddess of war with no fighting class over 31, what makes you so special?

i think op has a good point but i guess it will mostly fall on deaf ears cause whining is more comfortable than actually working together.

{Burn}
/10char

[Cyan]

I was actually coming into this thread thinking it would be a bunch of whining, and was pleasently surprised. You have a lot of good points. The problem is, finding the people willing to do this in this new era of MMOs. That being said, best use of a first post I have seen in..atleast a good long while.

Now proceed to mock me for not being any higher than the 20's, too.

[AarosLunos]

I am able to see why people are angry at this patch as it was a very large change and it was only a small part of what is to come but, all of this fighting amongst ourselves will do no good. (I'm looking at you post entitled "SP nerfed. We were lied to.") Instead of pointing fingers at each other; or at Yoshi-P for that matter; why doesn't the community begin to help one another out?

I completely agree. Unfortunately on the forums, at least here in General Discussion, there are a ton of people are convinced that SE absolutely has to listen to their input, or the SE is out to personally taunt them by making class balances, etc. I think most of the time people have some reasonable constructive and well intended ideas and critiques, however the problem lies with how a small select few are unwilling to discuss things without doing exactly what you mention.

Its really quite sad because it really ruins the social aspect of the game for the rest of us when a small group of players are so belligerent and absolutely convinced that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

[Leenk]

The advice is out there. The biggest issue is in getting people to listen.
I've learned plenty of handy tools about where to lvl from places like this forum and linkshells. Most people are simply too stubborn to listen to others

[Tezz_Xivectro]

I think SE is too *** to respond to us atm. They're terrified and waiting a few days or a week to see how this turns out. They don't need to listen to all our input, but they do have to listen to the SP/EXP issue (it's just too big not to).

Maybe they thought they could get by with the bare foundation system until exp chains & what not are added. And then here we are being told to wait... again.