Cash shop confirmed

[Dwill]

love how theres so many defending enix just saying its vanity items thats just how they start these cash shops it probally will have vanity only items for a while but when the infrastructre is in game then they are free to put in p2w stuff later like so many other games have done

What he says and what he dose is 2 different things. Yoshi has said 1 thing but when the community was in an uproar he came back saying he wasnt clear or aka flip flopped on the issue at hand.

There's just no way to please the whole lot of you.

[Fyrebrand]

(The Magiteks in ARR are from VI's world. We're getting Triple Triad and the Golden Saucer, 2 things from FFVIII and FFVII's world. It's too late to be concerned about fan service. That's just ignoring most of the creatures and bosses in this game being from other FF games, namely III, XI, XII and XIII.

The Magitek Armor originated in FFVI, but it's worked into FFXIV's story and fits the kind of technology that the Garleans regularly employ. There are quests to explain how you come to obtain it, and it features heavily in the final dungeon and cutscenes. They found a way for it to make sense and belong in FFXIV. That's a huge difference from FFXIII's Lightning just showing up in the game for no reason at all, and injecting the game with FFXIII costumes and weapons. Magitek was a well-implemented reference that became its own thing, whereas Lightning is a sleazy promotion stunt that adds nothing to the game. You could very well have never played FFVI, and assume that Magitek came from FFXIV. But without knowledge of FFXIII, everything involving Lightning in this game makes no sense and is confusingly unfitting.

Hopefully when Golden Saucer shows up in FFXIV, it can be similar in spirit to the original but not just the exact location from FFVII dropped into FFXIV without rhyme or reason.

[LittleArrow]

There's just no way to please the whole lot of you.

I def agree. Not everyone will be happy with the changes; however, we should be able to express our concerns either way. ^^

[maxthunder1]

There's just no way to please the whole lot of you.

When you say something that the whole world reads you better damn well keep your word and not change it or say that you meant something else aka flip flop on whatever the issue is.

For that matter if you as an individual say something you need to keep your word as well, when you decide to change what you meant regardless of who it is or even if it is a group it makes you/them/they or who ever look really bad.

[Fatestorm]

Yoshi is in full producer mode here. He sees the murmur of discontent running through the community on the basis of the cash shop announcement, and he is rushing to soothe our fears. Not by saying "We've decided to change direction," of course; rather, by saying, "Trust us, we've got your best interests at heart, we won't let you down. Trust us, don't worry."

Of course, we've seen this before.

Personal Housing

While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

[Dwill]

I def agree. Not everyone will be happy with the changes; however, we should be able to express our concerns either way. ^^

I definitely agree that people should bring it up if they have concerns about a particular issue. However, there is a a difference between voicing your concerns and go the doomsayer way to spread ignorance and ignore logic. Like for example, your thread is the best example of how concerns should be brought up. While I do not agree with you on this particular issue, I think your thread does a good job at voicing the concerns of those against this issue and I think a few people could take a page out of your book.

When you say something that the whole world reads you better damn well keep your word and not change it or say that you meant something else aka flip flop on whatever the issue is.

For that matter if you as an individual say something you need to keep your word as well, when you decide to change what you meant regardless of who it is or even if it is a group it makes you/them/they or who ever look really bad.

Business 101: Communication issues WILL arise at one point, there is no avoiding it. Also, plans can and will change at the last minute and the best you can do is try to minimize the damage a.k.a damage control.

Not that I agree with how housing was done (I personally think it was done terribly bad) but discrediting the guy who seemed actually genuinely sorry about how the miscommunication and who is doing an actually pretty good job at being involved with the community when it's absolutely not necessary from him to based on one mishap is a really stupid thing to do.

Yoshi is in full producer mode here. He sees the murmur of discontent running through the community on the basis of the cash shop announcement, and he is rushing to soothe our fears. Not by saying "We've decided to change direction," of course; rather, by saying, "Trust us, we've got your best interests at heart, we won't let you down. Trust us, don't worry."

Of course, we've seen this before.

Not targeting you specifically but I think pretty much everyone who says the guy shouldn't be trusted due to the housing event is being hypocritical. Every single person at one point will make a mistake in communication and I'm pretty sure none of you would like it if that person just started telling everyone that you shouldn't be trusted.

[maxthunder1]

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I understand some issue's or changes need to be made, there comes a point when these changes or issue's seem to arise with everything. This has become a pattern with Yoshi and he either needs to not say anything on the issue or make good on what he has said in the first place with no excuses. At this point in time trust has been broken and he needs to find a way to fix it.

Also I am trying to find the interview where yoshi said he would not break 1.0 to make 2.0 but we see how that turned out. So far no luck.

[polyphonica]

Yoshi is in full producer mode here. He sees the murmur of discontent running through the community on the basis of the cash shop announcement, and he is rushing to soothe our fears. Not by saying "We've decided to change direction," of course; rather, by saying, "Trust us, we've got your best interests at heart, we won't let you down. Trust us, don't worry."

Of course, we've seen this before.

The problem is that the lack of specifics get easily misinterpreted, and the translation doesn't help. For example, in the Japanese version of the post, he said that that the pricing for personal housing would be way cheaper than the prices of free company housing they just released (今回公開となった「フリーカンパニーの本拠地としてのハウジング」), and this was in the context of explaining that housing prices would otherwise be dropping. (The translators at the time surely didn't consider that little qualifier could radically alter the interpretation of the sentence 9 months later, and be re-quoted ad nauseum as clear evidence of a "lie".) But even with that little clarification, what does it mean? Nobody knows. And that lack of clarity opens the door to lots of speculation and, then, anger.

With this particular conversation, there already was a misunderstanding caused by one prominent summary being confused over a detail, and implying that the new cash shop mounts/minions would be available in-game. He didn't actually say that, just that they would continue to introduce in-game minions. But now that people have that in their head, there will be anger because "I thought he said...!" Again, lack of clarity and clear communication (in this case caused by the sort of grapevine/telephone effect) causes wrong expectations and then disappointment/anger.

But anyway, it is pretty clear that, for the moment, they see this as a supplement of vanity-only items. But there's never any telling what the future will bring for sure, or even if he'll remain director/producer forever. We'll see what happens.

[Noxifer]

The problem is that the lack of specifics get easily misinterpreted, and the translation doesn't help. For example, in the Japanese version of the post, he said that that the pricing for personal housing would be way cheaper than the prices of free company housing they just released

That does make a bit of a difference, yes. On the other hand... I haven't really kept track of housing prices at all, since I wasn't in a position where I could even hope of having that much money back when FC housing was introduced. So I'm not quite sure -- other than the gradual devaluation of plots and the extra "you guys think all the houses are too expensive, so we'll lower all house prices a little bit further for you", have the prices for FC housing changed? Or do they even now start at the same price as they did back then? Because if they do, it doesn't really change the statement that much in my opinion. One, the personal housing prices are not separate from FC housing. And two, they're priced the same as the FC houses they'd just released and are therefore not "far more affordable".

Sure, the average amount of money per character is higher today than back then, so due to the average wealth they could be seen as more affordable. But I'm not sure that takes into consideration that many players, who knew personal housing was on the way, had been hoarding their money with the intent of buying one. So of course the average wealth goes up when people try to save money. But all of that is an entirely different discussion which doesn't really belong in this thread.

With this particular conversation, there already was a misunderstanding caused by one prominent summary being confused over a detail, and implying that the new cash shop mounts/minions would be available in-game. He didn't actually say that, just that they would continue to introduce in-game minions.

Thank you. People have said that, "it's an official statement!" and that it should be enough. But the truth is that it's an inofficial person's recounting of an official statement, with all the problems inherent in that. Also, I'm not sure whether the statement was issued in English or Japanese. The recounting is in English, and if the statement was in Japanese, there's the translating problem and finding the correct words that imply the same as the original wording. Even if it was in English, it's not always easy to catch what's being said since people don't always stick to coherent and logical/grammatically correct sentences while speaking. Plus the poster does comment that they think that's what Yoshida said, which further muddles the "validity" of the statement.

The way you interpreted it is how I interpreted it as well. And until I see an official statement posted regarding it, I won't be able to feel certain about what was meant with it (and to be fair, depending on how fuzzily it's worded or translated, I might not even be certain then).

[Adelard]

Please no cash shop. That would ruin the spirit of the game.