Cash shop confirmed

[Zohnax]

We weren't talking about P2W - the stance on that was well-known since the cash shop was first announced. Please read the posts next time before redirecting the conversation.

Go back two pages and read before trying to tell me what to say. The implications of, "slippery slope into Pay2Win," and, "might as well just go F2P," are there.

They made the initial announcement during the free stream in Las Vegas, and in the keynote again because so many people believe they can see the future, or think they work for SE, or want to pretend they're expert market analysts. So many people are ranting irrationally that it warranted a response to calm all the fears and assumptions people on these forums have been bombarding them with. The fact that you won't take multiple people coming forward about what was said, or people who took down a transcript of the official statement as fact enough, only shows how some of you only believe what you want to believe.

[KaedrianLiang]

I believe the community is over-reacting. Most western players know "Cash Shop" as Pay-to-win. When its most likely only going to be a cash shop for Final Fantasy/ Square-Enix vanity stuff. Like a Tifa Lockhart costume to glamour or Laura Croft Costume. Sephiroth's weapon. The Buster Sword for glamour etc.

[Fornix]

I believe the community is over-reacting. Most western players know "Cash Shop" as Pay-to-win. When its most likely only going to be a cash shop for Final Fantasy/ Square-Enix vanity stuff. Like a Tifa Lockhart costume to glamour or Laura Croft Costume. Sephiroth's weapon. The Buster Sword for glamour etc.

Most Western players know cash shop as pay to win? Most cash shops in international MMO's are vanity oriented only. So in that case I wonder where these western players are getting their knowledge from. Most are just needlessly crying wolf.

[Vhailor]

Go back two pages and read before trying to tell me what to say. The implications of, "slippery slope into Pay2Win," and, "might as well just go F2P," are there.

They made the initial announcement during the free stream in Las Vegas, and in the keynote again because so many people believe they can see the future, or think they work for SE, or want to pretend they're expert market analysts. So many people are ranting irrationally that it warranted a response to calm all the fears and assumptions people on these forums have been bombarding them with. The fact that you won't take multiple people coming forward about what was said, or people who took down a transcript of the official statement as fact enough, only shows how some of you only believe what you want to believe.

Then reference a quote next time. Responding without one indicates you were joining the current conversation - decidedly not about P2W or a slippery slope.

Either way, I agree with you - many people are ranting and concerned. It's spread well beyond these forums; announcements of a cash shop have appeared all over the place. Many people are upset over this; some have quite reasonable fears, regardless of what SE says for now, and many do not. This does indeed warrant a response to calm what fears they can. What you're somehow missing is the fact that dropping another line at another Fan Festival does not warrant an effective response, simply from a marketing standpoint. It won't reach enough people. They need to post on Lodestone or these forums - in an official announcement - which is what I've been saying the past few posts (a fact you clearly failed to grasp).

As an aside, discussing my willingness to accept information here is the height of ignorance. I never once questioned the authenticity of the information others provided, which you'd see if you bothered reading with an open mind.

In regards to the "slippery slope" type discussions, or Yoshi-P's statements about the cash shop never becoming P2W - you're right, a lot of people aren't buying what Yoshi-P is saying. That's their choice. It's not an entirely unreasonable position, either; they aren't questioning SE's honesty so much as the fact that changing circumstances might change their mind. Either way, that's a bit of a tangent.

This will be the last post I make in response to your particular claims, either way. You are behaving in a combative fashion, not bothering to read previous statements I have made, and are ascribing to me beliefs that I do not have (nor indicated anywhere). My sole point is that a statement from an official source does not constitute an official announcement. Anyone with an elementary understanding of marketing understands the difference between the two, and why in this case, SE's response has been a little bit too weak. Whether they correct that or not is entirely up to them, and I couldn't care less which they choose.

Edit / Addition:

I believe the community is over-reacting. Most western players know "Cash Shop" as Pay-to-win. When its most likely only going to be a cash shop for Final Fantasy/ Square-Enix vanity stuff. Like a Tifa Lockhart costume to glamour or Laura Croft Costume. Sephiroth's weapon. The Buster Sword for glamour etc.

I agree to an extent, at least as it applies to the people fearing the game will become a P2W type of affair. I suspect this probably won't happen, or certainly won't happen for many years.

That said, a lot of people are opposed for reasons other than a "slippery slope" type of argument. For instance, I'm personally opposed because I don't like a large focus on vanity and accessibility in my MMOs, primarily because I dislike the type of community that such a focus attracts. Hence, I'll play something else - the cash shop was sort of a "final straw" for me in this regard. There are other reasons to be opposed, of course. Not everyone is overreacting, is my point - they just hold different opinions about what they want from an MMO.

[charlemagne]

After what Yoshi said today, I withdraw any opposition I had to the idea.

[myahele]

I think most people's concerns is that the current pay shop for is setting precedent to possible pay to win mechanics. 1st its just vanity, then its items to boost exp (exists if you get CE or refer a friend) etc.

It's a slippery slope . only time will tell how the cash shop turns out.

[Dwill]

There was a response from about cashshop: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ning_ceremony/

Well who would have thought, people panicked and went "Fear mongering and the world is ending mode" for no reason.

[MortalWare]

Yeah, I would think Yoshi saying such at a live event like the fanfest is about as official as it gets.

Not gaurenteed. Some confidence in the community has been shaken since comments he made about personal housing proved to be false.

[ApolloGenX]

Not gaurenteed. Some confidence in the community has been shaken since comments he made about personal housing proved to be false.

..well and there are plenty of gamers that have actually played other games and been in this genre for years that have seen this happen repeatedly. It's not the first game to intro a cash shop and say it won't be P2W.

[Mjollnir]

After what Yoshi said today, I withdraw any opposition I had to the idea.

Yup me too. Minions not exclusive to the cash shop. Hopefully the omission of the word 'mount' was an oversight.