Coil and tomestone gear both I130?

[Rivest]

AS long AS the upgrade items for the tome gear does NOT drop in coil, but is acquired by other means i am fine with this.
I am sick as tired of the 1% of the 20% of the population who even go in to coil, getting 3 months + to gloat while every one else
is stuck. If the tome gear is 120 to be upgraded to 130 via coil, them make the coil 3 gear 120 to be upgraded to 130 vie running
low level dungeon 1000 times per upgrade. The double standards need to stop.

Probably only accessable through coil, later on probably by other means.

Also:

[saber_alter]

AS long AS the upgrade items for the tome gear does NOT drop in coil, but is acquired by other means i am fine with this.
I am sick as tired of the 1% of the 20% of the population who even go in to coil, getting 3 months + to gloat while every one else
is stuck. If the tome gear is 120 to be upgraded to 130 via coil, them make the coil 3 gear 120 to be upgraded to 130 vie running
low level dungeon 1000 times per upgrade. The double standards need to stop.

nothing in patch notes about aquisition. assuming the same drop method as 2.2-2.38: coil only at first, then slowly added to CT raid.

i would also note that as with all raid gear, its absolutely unnecessary to acquire them for any other reason than looking good unless you intend to go into the final coil. all these do is make your hits strike harder on the things you are probably already facerolling.

[Demus]

AS long AS the upgrade items for the tome gear does NOT drop in coil, but is acquired by other means i am fine with this.
I am sick as tired of the 1% of the 20% of the population who even go in to coil, getting 3 months + to gloat while every one else
is stuck. If the tome gear is 120 to be upgraded to 130 via coil, them make the coil 3 gear 120 to be upgraded to 130 vie running
low level dungeon 1000 times per upgrade. The double standards need to stop.

If everyone else is stuck then everyone else needs to git gud. Nothing wrong with a system that awards skilled players.

[RegnumMagik]

AS long AS the upgrade items for the tome gear does NOT drop in coil, but is acquired by other means i am fine with this.
I am sick as tired of the 1% of the 20% of the population who even go in to coil, getting 3 months + to gloat while every one else
is stuck. If the tome gear is 120 to be upgraded to 130 via coil, them make the coil 3 gear 120 to be upgraded to 130 vie running
low level dungeon 1000 times per upgrade. The double standards need to stop.

I mean, if you're not running coil, why do you even need the extra 10 ilvls? Everything outside of coil is basically face-roll.

[Demus]

There's no "us and them" mentality. The gear is there for those that are willing to get it.

The real complaint here is that it isn't served on a silver platter.

[Gardes]

Maybe people would like to have/obtain the gear, because it's there and they'd like to have it? Does there have to be some specific reason?

Then go and get it? It's there for you to take? It's a fricking mmorpg. There's loot and the devs put it somewhere and the players have to fight to that place and win to get it. The requirement is the SAME for everyone. If there's such a thing as 'grouping', your 'people' is just as much to blame as the people you're pointing fingers at for allowing it to exist.

[SongJoohee]

Looks like the same system as 2.2 for the most part with name changes. Kinda disappointing but it worked well so I don't blame them. Upgrades for Ironworks will probably drop in World of Darkness in 2.5 and maybe able to be farmed by some other system, hope it's just not as bad as hunts.

[RickXRolled]

AS long AS the upgrade items for the tome gear does NOT drop in coil, but is acquired by other means i am fine with this.
I am sick as tired of the 1% of the 20% of the population who even go in to coil, getting 3 months + to gloat while every one else
is stuck. If the tome gear is 120 to be upgraded to 130 via coil, them make the coil 3 gear 120 to be upgraded to 130 vie running
low level dungeon 1000 times per upgrade. The double standards need to stop.

Improve your skills, then find me again. - Wukong

[SongJoohee]

This argument is pointless because it's going to happen till even after the end of FFXIV on others MMOs.

I'm a raider. I think Square Enix have a good middle ground with this system. They please the raiders in that they gear up the quickest and get raid-exclusive gear 3/4 months. They then give casual players a 3/4 month "catch-up" period, allowing not only casual players to catch up but also new players but also raiders want to switch job a smoother time progressing through the item levels. Raiders still end up with more gear and more class diversity available to them thanks to the extra drops they earn from Coil, but Casual players can also keep up with Item Levels as the game progresses.

Come 2.5 raiders will again start complaining then "there's no point to raid anymore" when the upgrade mats will be dropped in World of Darkness and via other means. Casual players will be happy they can get the upgrades from Coil via other means.

Look ahead to 3.0 and raiders will be happy again that there is raid-exclusive gear, casuals will be upset they can't get max item level without raiding.

And furthur to 3.1, whatever the 24 player raid is, raiders will again start complaining then "there's no point to raid anymore" when the upgrade mats will be dropped in <insert 24p raid here>.

And repeat, repeat, repeat, the never ending cycle.

Fact of the matter is raiders will still raid, casuals will still.... casual?

Because, hopefully, people are playing the game because they find it fun, not because gear treadmills.

[Demus]

See, this is why a real discussion can never happen. Because dishonest people like you take what someone says, and so long as it doesn't fit your narrative, you twist it into distorted strawman arguments, completely misrepresenting what they're actually saying.

Sheele is not asking for anything on a silver platter.

They're asking for an alternative means to obtain something in-game, by doing other content than Coil. Asking for other means to *earn* something is quite the opposite of "asking for it on a silver platter".

That you can't distinguish between what they actually said and "asking for something on a silver platter" says far more about your own short-sightedness than it does them.

Actually, Sheele is calling for a ilvl decrease to the new coil gear and wants it to be upgraded via dungeon grinding. Seems to me a real discussion can't happen here because you can't be bothered to read the posts you're addressing. I made the silver platter comment based on what the dissenters as a whole ask for, not Sheele specifically... because I actually read his/her post.

Again, no "us and them" mentality. This game rewards skilled players without bias, as does every other game out there. Paying a sub does not entitle a player to all of the content. Is that so difficult to understand?