Are CNJ's and WHM's now DD's?

[Cynfael]

It's true that people will take enormous damage in Titan if they can't do the mechanics.

On the bright side, a lot of these same people who refuse to learn the fight will get themselves knocked over the edge so that you can stop pretending to care about healing and rezzing them.

[Lanceton]

a 20-minute run becomes 15 minutes - why not if it indeed finishes at 15 mins?

It really depends on how well the healer do the Stance Dance
The the key to the stance dance is to know that all buffs in FF14 have skill-base effects, i.e. any skills/spell used before the cleric stance is not affected by it - if you cast a Regen or Adloquium before going cleric stance, their HOT and shield will maintain their full effectiveness after the stance shift.
Another thing to know is the cool down limitation of the cleric stance - the stance can only be cancelled by using it again, not by right clicking on the icon - this limitation makes it so that while cancelling the stance itself incurs no cooldown, however whenever right after you shift into the cleric stance, there is a 5 second or so delays when you can cast it again. i.e. you cannot cancel your cleric stance right after you use it for 5 seconds.

it's all about preference and competence, there's no right or wrong doing

[Zelth]

Just because you CAN do it doesn't mean it should be done. No healer should heal with CS on, no exceptions. It only takes half a second to click it off.

[Yumi_umi]

But its k im pretty sure they'll rework it a bit when 3.0 releases as you know a big expansion = changes bound to happen.
So lets just all get along and say
Its not about if healers are DDs, its rather more about what target healers are dpsing.
That includes other players, mobs, bosses, some other thing like objects.

[Urielparadox]

OP did the blm actually have to heal, and did the tank actually have to use potions, because y'all died once already, or because you can't do something did you just not trust that the whm knows what they are doing? A good healer who's stance dancing is going to let your hp drop to levels that scare you probably. Especially once be benidiction is added to the arsenal. There is 0 reason to stay on cs the whole time however I have had party's where people use potions and heal when they should just be trusting the healer. But according to them every time a tank gets hit once they should be cured, and that's not accurate.

[Synestr]

I have recently been running lower level dungeons as a WAR to help him level BLM. As soon as the dungeon starts the CNJ/WHM pops Cleric Stance. When I ask them about it they said that they can heal just fine with Cleric Stance up. Which I know is not true because I have an i90 WHM and I never went through a dungeon with CS up. Now I'm starting to wonder if maybe I played WHM wrong because there are WHM that are in the dungeon that have way higher iLevels than I do. They say they are healing just fine with CS up even though I have to pop potions and my BLM friend spends half the battle healing because the CNJ/WHM are to busy DDing. I know SCH can heal and DD just fine. Is this just CNJ/WHM's being jealous and trying to prove they can do everything a SCH can do too? Or am I just playing WHM wrong?

Something is wrong when the BLM has to step up to heal. If the healer tells me they can do just fine and another caster has to step in to help heal, then it is time to call em on it. As WHM, I constantly DPS, in or out of CS. Mostly I just stance dance, any added DPS helps thing move along faster, but not at the sacrifice of heals(HOLY x ASMANYASICANGET...tank is low on health...BENEDICTION > HOLY HOLY HOLY HOLY!!!!).

As SCH I DPS full time unless I am actually needed to heal. EOS is da shits in low level duties.

[Pheenam]

Stance dance or they aren't doing it right. I DPS as WHM all the time in dungeons, but will never heal in CS.

I mean you shouldn't be using pots or having BLM supplement heals. Just die. Let healer l2p don't cover up their flaws otherwise they think they are doing fine and developing real bad habits.

[Alkimi]

Something is wrong when the BLM has to step up to heal. If the healer tells me they can do just fine and another caster has to step in to help heal, then it is time to call em on it.

Or maybe the tank was in no danger of dying any time soon and the BLM was just healing when they didn't need to.

[Zedd702]

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The WHM also spike DMG better than the SCH so killing a mob faster with a WHM that way you can get back to healing or patching up the party is your best bet. I wouldn't say you are playing your class wrong but anytime after LVL 30 and up and your not pulling some damage out there is a problem with your play style.......

I DPS and Tank and when I see the party at full health and the healer is doing the bomb dance I get pretty pissed

I like this and second this. While my WHM is only 43/44, I actively toggle back n forth from Cleric stance. I don't heal with CS active unless in higher lvl play when I have Divine Seal accessible. I use cleric stance stone II when bored waiting for damage to be inflicted and I already have the whole party in stoneskin etc. But the whm that annoy me are the ones CONSTANTLY in Cleric stance and letting the teams life fall too low and never come out while spamming medica and other costly heals...

[Cynfael]

There should be a healer duty that requires the player to DPS targets in CS, then to toggle CS off in order to heal NPCs. Get them used to the concept of appropriate stance-dancing.