Cash shop confirmed

[Niqote]

Question:

Would $5 saved me all of that running between lvl 1 and getting a normal choco at lvl 20? That would have been worth $5 to me.


As far as it being the sleipnir mount, does it provide me any additional in game benefits that other mounts don't? otherwise, I don't care.

No it wont.
When you start a new character you get all your previously earned Rewards items mailed to you, including a few mounts.

However you can not use any mount until you have earned your Chocobo pass via the one and only method when you first join a GC

[Xhominid]

...the problem is not even the cash shop itself, although I do agree that it's just not right in a game that already has a subscription fee...

The problem is the fact that, yes, now they say it's vanity stuff only

And that's the problem, it's NOTHING but "What If" and you are allowing that to influence what you believe will happen. Again, I have played plenty of F2P games that have completely done at absolute worst Pay for Convenience items(which is absolutely not the same as Play 2 Win) and have stuck on that model for YEARS, hell, one of my favorites(Vindictus) is opening a shop that allows you to use your Ability Points to buy Cash Shop items instead, meaning those with AP they don't need can buy some of the more expensive items without needing to pay a dime.

TL;DR Stop thinking "What If" and just give it a shot. If they do start slipping THEN it's a cause for panic.

[Darkshade]

Yo SE, and I'mma let you finish, but cash shops are a pretty upsetting move.

[Trixxy]

people still whining over cash shops in mmos, what else did I expect. Really.

Cash shops mean pretty (optional) cosmetics for us and a much higher revenue for the dev team.
And what does that finally result in? More funds to work on the game with, I.e faster updates and more content. Not having a cash shop in your mmo is wasted money.

Come whine once they decide to take the grim p2w route.

[BreathlessTao]

Again, I have played plenty of F2P games that have completely done at absolute worst Pay for Convenience items(which is absolutely not the same as Play 2 Win) and have stuck on that model for YEARS, hell, one of my favorites(Vindictus) is opening a shop that allows you to use your Ability Points to buy Cash Shop items instead, meaning those with AP they don't need can buy some of the more expensive items without needing to pay a dime.

Apples and oranges. Yeah, they're both fruits, but they're not the same. FFXIV is not (as of now) F2P.

If they do start slipping THEN it's a cause for panic.

The slip has already started, for many (if not most) of us. Different people would probably highlight different points as the start of that; to me personally, it was the personal housing fiasco, a major tear in the trust between devs and players that have already been broken and stitched together once.........

[IveraIvalice]

You forgot fearmongering, which you guys are clearly doing. And you pay $13-15 to PLAY the game, that's how P2P works. You saying that it MUST be to access all content in the game(when most well-known F2P games do the same), that is kinda elitist. Paying for minions and mounts SHOULD NOT be a huge issue and I have no reason how people are even equating it to content is beyond my comprehension.

Now your coming off as aggressive.
In no way are we fear mongering. This move by them will most likely make them more money but in my opinion makes them greedy people who don't care as much about their fans as I thought. Maybe some have said that the game will fail or something like that but most have said that it's simply a slap to the face.

Yes we are entitled to everything the game has by paying a subscription and the purchase of the game itself. Why? Because that's how it's been since the game came out in 2010. Even through all the changes from 1.0-2.0 that has not changed. This is not WoW or any other game that some can simply say do the same thing so it's fine here.

Minions, mounts, and anything else they add to the game to be sold in these cash shops is content plain and simple. Because if they weren't, no one would want to buy them. as I said a few pages back, not everyone plays to do the same thing. I know many people who play a huge portion of the game to collect minions and to mounts, that's the game for them. So yes that is content to people who enjoy them.

This is in no way elitist by any means. This is simply wanting what we have been entitled to for over 4 years in this game. And again as I have said a few pages ago (which is why I mentioned reading the recent pages), it's the same thing as having a hulu account and then they say you can't watch new movies anymore unless you pay more money even though you were able to watch all of it before. By your logic no one should be mad in a situation like that and is classified as an elitist.
Your throwing that word around too casually

Tl;dr
They are gonna charge us more for things that we had access to before.
Wanting and feeling entitled to the same thing we had for over 4 years is in no way elitist.

[SirSaber]

Geesh what's with all this doom and gloom?
Tomorrow it's this? Come on guys...

And why should SE not have the right to sell in game minions and mounts?
WoW and tons of other games do the same.
Why should SE not do it? Because you don't like it?

Anyways I do not care for what they're selling, if it's nothing that gives you an advantage in game, be it PvE, Gardening, Exp boos, you name it, then I do not care about it.
I can't talk about you guys, you have your opinions ofc but I just think you shouldn't overreact that much about them selling 3 minions and 1 mount.

Just my thoughts.

[Sammich]

So it seems that the main argument for the cash shop is that it's permissible for SE to sell items as long as they are 'vanity' items. If that is the case, then I think we need to seriously think about what we consider vanity items.

At any given time, there are only two top-tier armour sets available, and all other dungeon drops between 50 and the top iLvl are essentially useless for anything other than glamour. No-one runs 30 times to get the Robe of Divine Death for its stats, given the availability of higher level gear. Since these items only exist for vanity, it would have been reasonable for SE to put them in the cash shop rather than a dungeon, along with other glamour items like the Shikaree set. It would not have impacted anyone's progression for them to have done this, and the same goes for all minions and most mounts.

Now, I'm not sure how others would feel about this, but I personally wouldn't feel that it would be worth the subscription fee to only have access to essential 'progression' content. I know that the example takes the argument to extremes, but people should be aware of what they're advocating or excusing. When I pay $15 a month, I pay it with the expectation that I will be able to enjoy everything that the game has to offer, and that includes dressing up in my skirt and crop-top and galloping about on my unicorn.

In regards to what is already planned for the cash shop, I'm not particularly bothered by it. However, I am wary about the direction they may choose to take with it, and I can understand why people who enjoy collection would be upset by this news.

[Edli]

Yo SE, and I'mma let you finish, but cash shops are a pretty upsetting move.

They knew it really. They just wanted to see if it would be worth it. Some people will leave but their question is if money made from the shop would make up for the loss from those subs. And they'll try to push for more and more in the future to see where the fine line is.

I've been on MMOs when cash shops first appeared. It was hated by almost everyone but when not given the choice people will get used to it eventually. What was bizarre in the past becomes normal now and in 2014 you finally have people saying "still whining over cash shops". Sorta implying that we're old and behind the times. Now the cash shop on a sub mmo is just a fact of life.

[Fornix]

I fail to see what the fuss is about. People were either being completely delusional or are new to the common day MMO genre to not expect this to be introduced. In no way does it mean this'll ever have to become more than a vanity thing. Various other AAA MMO's have preceeded FFXIV in this. And more will come. Heck, the practice is not even limited to MMO's anymore these days.

It provides extra financing for companies which can be put back into further game development, keeping investors happy and keeping people employed. It's just how the world works.