about egi's models

[myahele]

Ramuh?

[Alukah]

Ramuh?

That one has been around probably since launch, but those are arbiters, not sure if they will re-use the same design for Ramuh-egi.

Anyway, this got discussed many times in every languages by thousands of other people for the last 12 months, the dev team is well aware of the mess, they will just do better next time.

Forgot to reply to this, the thing is they will try to follow the same design choice for all egis, for the sake of consistence, it would look odd if new egis look like a scaled down version of the real primals while these three egis remain the same, either new egis will follow the same or they will have to change the first three.

[winxbloom61]

I guess picking on someone's grammar and spelling is the same as just calling them a retarded grade schooler? That's the only way I can see that being rude.

Although, they could be ESL.

better being bad with grammer than someone like you who kisses up to devs you probely the same type that kissed up to teachers in school huh

[Dwill]

better being bad with grammer than someone like you who kisses up to devs you probely the same type that kissed up to teachers in school huh

This guy. Comedy gold right here.

[Exstal]

better being bad with grammer than someone like you who kisses up to devs you probely the same type that kissed up to teachers in school huh

I believe you kissed up to them, that's why you got away with writing like you're in grade 6. But enough about the pissing contest, if you're going to make asinine suggestions on a public forum be prepared to face heavy opposition. Especially when your suggestion has been beaten to death for a very long time.

[Laerune]

I think every developer who wants to introduce a summoner class in their mmorpg, should take a good look at Aion Online. Aion Online might have failed as a P2P, but the summons and their transformation is one of the best things that they did.

Might be a good idea to take a look at Blade and Soul aswell, the summons there (kitties) have the same emotion as the player characters and they react to the player. A fine example, if you dance, they will dance with you, you cheer, they cheer. If your sad, they will come and comfort you, the same is when your summoning them, they will show up and crawl on to your side, like real life cats.

[Renik]

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I did but your mind is unable to get it, it happens a lot in these forums, ppl ask for reasons, you give them, they read what they want and make their own interpretation. You may think your numbers are correct, but you're wrong, first, not everyone listed as a smn is a smn and not everyone listed as something else is a "non smn", this is your first mistake. The second is claiming we are minority, because only those who complain are in the forums; there are several reasons to register in these forums, first, if you want to post or like a post, if not, you just read w/o registering, theorycrafting, feedback, some will just come to rant a bit but they are far from being a majority, if i had to say who are the real vocal minority, i would say, anyone who likes forums, in other words, darama lovers, white knights and trolls, those are the real vocal minority, and they have little or nothing to do with the game, they just enjoy, opposing, correcting grammar, analyzing posts to counter them with nosesnse.

I will admit, the op is ranting, and she/he is not acting correctly, but that doesn't makes his/her point invalid, and i will go further, the reaction of the op is understandable, the OP looks like a firstimer in the forums, is not used to treating with the stress the people like you cause in others.

Before you say something about not being reasons to support my stance in my post.

- Your numbers are wrong.
- You are not majority here nor in the game.
- You used semantics and wrong numbers to invalidate my point instead of posting your opinion about the topic.
- This is a FF game, and FF fans are used to more detailed summons, i understand the size issue tho, a reduced size is needed for an MMO like this one.
- I said i have talked with a lot of ppl about this inside of the game, and even if the wrong bases made up in these forums tell you that a very reduced portion of the playerbase is not important, it's indeed a scaled representation of a whole group.
- Since the launch of SMN, there have been complains, from SMNs, yes those who play the job, a portion of the playerbase who sees this bad design as an issue, and want to register and post in the forums, in other words, a "scaled representation of a whole group."

And my final point, that i will define as a personal attack to ppl like you, whenever a feedback thread is made, i can recognize some names, people who post repeatedly on a thread trying to invalidate other's opinion making them look like a minority, and liking the posts of those with the same destructive mentality, but in the end, a vast majority supports positively the feedback threads, the reason they look like a minority is because they post an opinion and leave. Don't get me wrong, there are real opposers as well, but they do the same, post an opinion and leave.

If you were really saying the truth you would just post your opinion and leave, instead of attacking ppl with the overused statement of the vocal minority, semantics and made up or wrong numbers, leave your opinion here and let the devs and the real community decide.

[Dwill]

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I just love how you say the numbers are wrong when you either willingly or just skimmed over this part:

Last I checked, there was 300,000+ level 50 Arcanists. Let's be pessimist and say only a fourth are summoner, which makes 75,000 summoners.

No matter how much you repeat it, the numbers are there and they aren't on your side.

You also said:

Most people is not pleased with the SMN job as a whole, we have these threads everyday.

We already clarified that Most = majority and we've already established that you've got zero, zéro, cero, nada, rei, ling, form of data to back up such a claim therefore it is an invalid claim. At least my claims at least has some form of data to back it up. Anecdotal evidences (such has talking to people in game) are also nigh-worthless because they are an easily malleable and biased form of data. So unless you magically stumble upon data that would support your point of view, you are indeed part of a vocal minority.

Your whole argument is based on my numbers being wrong yet you have no way of proving as much and you repeating over and over they are doesn't make it true by any stretch of the imagination.

If you were really saying the truth you would just post your opinion and leave, instead of attacking ppl with the overused statement of the vocal minority, semantics and made up or wrong numbers, leave your opinion here and let the devs and the real community decide.

The real community seems awfully familiar. Though, I will admit that it's quite funny to see you call me on semantics when your posts are filled with fallacies.

[Rumpelstiltzkin]

I don't play summoner, but I honestly think they really could do with some kind of rework both from a visual standpoint as well as gameplay-wise. Maybe as the summoner gets more powerful (higher level) their summons evolve as well. So when the new expansion comes out with a higher level cap summoners above 50 have their summons look a little more like primals and are a little bigger like OP suggested. Also, no this is not a "I want XI summoner" post, this is about making it up to par with pretty much any other game out there that has a class similar in style.

[Dwill]

I don't play summoner, but I honestly think they really could do with some kind of rework both from a visual standpoint as well as gameplay-wise. Maybe as the summoner gets more powerful (higher level) their summons evolve as well. So when the new expansion comes out with a higher level cap summoners above 50 have their summons look a little more like primals and are a little bigger like OP suggested. Also, no this is not a "I want XI summoner" post, this is about making it up to par with pretty much any other game out there that has a class similar in style.

I guess this will need to be posted every page of this thread at this point :

We discussed your feedback about the design of the egi with the development team. As was mentioned previously during the Beta test, the design planner reiterated that egi were designed to be a manifestation of a percentage of power taken from the primals and are intentionally designed to appear differently from the primal. As such, we aren't planning on changing the look of egi at higher levels.

We will however continue to take in your feedback when creating new egi that will be added in the future.