Can you please Ease Up on Atma now?

[EllPii]

Yep, exactly. Atma is sh*t.
And so, that's why you want newcomers to be stuck behind that grind wall forever, so nobody past a certain point in time would go and farm the outdated and useless Atma, because you'll be able to get some i150 in a day?
That's not very kind.

No, I said getting Atma pieces was relieving, which also feels amazing, put simply in Layman's terms.

No, at this point in time of me typing this reply up, i'm farming Atmas for Ninja; "I'm" definitely not denying myself anything through a grind wall, purely because this quest-line is not obligatory in any way.
I do consider myself one of those newcomers, since i'm intending to re-do that entire side-quest line.
Of course to some degree of relevancy, the Atma farm helps newcomers level up by supplying people that intend to farm fates.

[Fyce]

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You have to ask yourself tho': does this quest will be worth doing when people will be looking towards i150+ weapons?
If you don't ease this process as the games progress, newcomers will have to do Atma, Animus, Novus, Nexus, Somethingus, etcus., in order to catch up... but the amount of time they would have to sink into it will make all these steps absolutly not worth it.

In short terms, in a few patches, if the process is still that long and tedious, the relic weapon questline won't be worth doing at all. People will have other things to do other than farming countless hours on low level fates for an already outdated weapon.
Even if the last Relic stage will be BiS, the game doesn't emphasis gear optimization at all.

People need to have a long term view on this.

[Granyala]

People need to have a long term view on this.

I really don't see them continuing the Relic in 3.0.
Read somewhere that 2.4 is supposed to be the last big patch with a raid tier, so... they don't need to worry about that.

@max: have fun ^^

[Fyce]

I really don't see them continuing the Relic in 3.0.
Read somewhere that 2.4 is supposed to be the last big patch with a raid tier, so... they don't need to worry about that.

If that's true, it means that the Relic quest line is already not worth doing for a lot of people.

[Alukah]

I always found funny how those against a change to atma drop rate also happen to be those who got lucky, and also happen to be those who don't understand there's no skill in rng or doing lvl 10 fates (no fun either)

[Raxion]

I always found funny how those against a change to atma drop rate also happen to be those who got lucky, and also happen to be those who don't understand there's no skill in rng or doing lvl 10 fates (no fun either)

No one ever accused Atma farming of being fun. It's a measure of determination. It takes a certain mindset to get in there and spend your entire evening doing nothing but FATEs. The reason so many people are resistant to SE changing the drops of Atma, is because those people actually got in there and worked hard for their Atma. Some people got lucky and finished within 12 hours. Some people (like myself) had to spend the greater part of 5+ days, doing nothing but running from FATE to FATE, to get all 12 Atma.

I'm more convinced that the people complaining about the drop rates just aren't putting in the time they need in order to get their Atma. 1-2 hours a day isn't going to cut it. You need to grab a drink, fix a sandwich, pull up Netflix, and devote your evening to it in order to get it done. That's how I finished both of my relic weapons.

[Alukah]

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So you have masochistic tendencies, good for you, I'd personally rather keep that out of the game tho. If they went with your mindset for every content they could slap a 3000 atma requirement to unlock third coil and you would be fine with it, because "it's a measure of determination". Lie to yourself all you want but this isn't a measure of determination if all you do is barely pay attention to the game, auto attack fates and switch to Netflix. This is a game, if you want boring grind to replace the fun go get a real job.

[Squa11_Leonhart]

The reason so many people are resistant to SE changing the drops of Atma, is because those people actually got in there and worked hard for their Atma.

Then why is the most common argument "I got mine in a few hours, you just aren't trying hard enough".

I'm more convinced that the people complaining about the drop rates just aren't putting in the time they need in order to get their Atma. 1-2 hours a day isn't going to cut it.

and way to restate the same damn argument.

bite it.

When you run with a woman who frustrates herself sick for hours of a day every day for several weeks, then you get to hold a valid opinion to this discussion.

[Granyala]

If that's true, it means that the Relic quest line is already not worth doing for a lot of people.

It is not.
You should only do it if you like the looks and want it as a vanity item.

Far easier to get a weapon for stones if you're after the stat-stick.

[TessaJalloh]

I really don't see them continuing the Relic in 3.0.
Read somewhere that 2.4 is supposed to be the last big patch with a raid tier, so... they don't need to worry about that.

@max: have fun ^^

2.4 ties up our current raid content yes, but that doesn't mean they won't be creating a new one later. that's the thing with 'endgame' mmos are always growing, so the endgame shifts and evolves. Terrible term for it really.