the point is and has been, there are pvp games and pve games, which is fine. the problem starts when the pvp crowd starts QQ over no pvp or not the "right kind" of pvp. the demands start and the devs cave in because they would like more ppl to play. SE gave the pvp crowd pvp, which is fine. no one has to pvp if they do not want to, no flagging no ganking is the way the game was built. now look, the creep as it were, has started and now the pvp crowd wants open world pvp because they are board, they dont wanna raid etc.

the problem with open world pvp in 14 is the game was not build for it, that is why miner bot and fisher are a thing. the pvp ppl would hate it if they got their pvp thing and these classes were not able to be attacked. or a crafter doing their thing. and if no classes were held out of the pvp, no one would want to go farm because they would be camped over and over, as we have seen from other posts here.