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  1. #181
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    Belisaire's Avatar
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    Blade Belisaire
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    Balmung
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    Warrior Lv 78
    The announcement that the Free Company plots and Personal Housing plots would be housed in the same area came far too late. It had been talked about like it would be a real alternative to those players who wanted an easier way into the housing system that you have been building a ton of content for. Players who, for example, can't even partake in things like chocobo raisng, etc. You've been showing off all the great things that are going into housing. You made it seem like this update would make it worth their wait, and ultimately, all you did was basically just added wards, and enabled one person entities to buy a house.

    The relief that you had led players to believe was coming was basically a lie--I say a lie because I know how dev cycles work. It wasn't like this was news for Yoshi-P and the dev team either--personal housing was talked about in a way that seemed like it would bring relief, when it was likely known that this would be the result. I think you mislead us.
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  2. #182
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    Volta Asura
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    Thaumaturge Lv 61
    Like most, I am disappointed in the implementation of it, in just about every way. It just doesn't make sense. The thing for me that makes this worse, is their philosophy/reasoning for the cost - based on how much gil is out there. Please stop doing this. IT MAKES NOT SENSE to have a "theme park MMO" if you are going to gate the content in said theme park. Content should be available to everyone, not just a few rich people in the first few hours after the servers came back up. Like really, this is absurd.

    In my personal opinion - personal housing and FC housing plots should not have been mixed. The fact that they chose to mix both together, just doesn't make sense to me.

    Please stop doing things half assed. Please start considering how your player base will respond to half assed attempts at implementing highly desired content, before you add it. Why release content at all - if it isn't really finished, or if it couldn't support even a decent sized fraction of the anticipated demand? We get that you lack server space....you have since launch ! You would think this would have been resolved quite some time ago.

    I would rather you wait to take the time to implement something that can be available to anyone if they choose to participate in it (like a theme park MMO), rather than something that feels rushed, unfinished, limited and nothing at all of what you said it would be. Personal housing as it stands, is limited housing. In 2.4, I bet it still will be too. Sure, you may add more plots....but how many more plots will you add, 8? This whole situation is laughable at best. It could have been much better if you waited and got it right the first time.

    Another interesting thought that comes to mind is what you guys plan on doing with the Gold Saucer... Can't wait to see how much it's going to cost to even play the basketball game, or whatever. We'll complain about the 200k prices we have to pay per game and you'll probably tell us that its in line with the money that currently exists in game...I guess what I'm getting at is ......I'm sure you'll find some way to screw that up too.
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    Last edited by VoltaAsura; 09-17-2014 at 01:39 PM.

  3. #183
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    Seif Dincht
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    Balmung
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    Marauder Lv 72
    The reply does nothing to the fact that 99% of players still won't be able to get PERSONAL HOUSING even when land is doubled.
    This is not a personal housing system.

    This is simply nowhere near good enough.

    Also what was stated earlier about this system is a flat out 100% LIE.
    When you announce a "personal housing" system that term already means a certain thing in videogames MMO or solo. This system does not fit that bill and as a developer there's no way you thought the players would be onto what kind of a sick twisting of terms this is. There's no way you thought we're on the same page on this.

    Just FIX it now!
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    Last edited by Seif; 09-17-2014 at 01:35 PM.

  4. #184
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    Fynlar Eira
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    Hyperion
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    You don't need gil to make a novus
    If you want to finish it sometime this year (and actually build it properly and not just with random Whatever mods), you do.

    Spiritbonding gear not only takes gil/materials in itself, but it's also extremely unreliable at actually bestowing you with the materia you want. Until we have some better control over what we receive, building our own novus weapons is pretty much a pipe dream.
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  5. #185
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    Zirael_Foxfire's Avatar
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    Zireael Stargaze
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    Ragnarok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sramdi View Post
    Just came to add my disappointment to the pile. Love the game and the world, been playing for 4 years now (has it been that long?).
    The price tag of 850k would have been manageable. Money is not normally an issue for me in-game, so 1-2M available for a house purchase seems reasonable. But 4M (Hyperion) is absolutely not a reasonable amount for an individual to blow in a single purchase.

    The most disappointing aspect of this whole debacle is the shortage of supply. Even if I had 4M sitting around, there is no way I'd be logging in at ~3am US Central time to rush to purchase a house. I'm sorry, just no.

    The exorbitant price and the lack of supply (<0.3% of the subscriber base, based on rough numbers) just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I would rather a properly-executed feature than one that's basically a beta test. (Maybe that's what this patch was.. a beta test of housing?).

    Be sure to hit LIKE on any comment you agree with, because the powers that be need this feedback.
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  6. #186
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    Parz3val's Avatar
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    King Adunis
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    Coeurl
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Stop rushing out poorly implemented content please SE.

    We'd be much happier if you filled the interim with things like more customization options (body tattoos), haircuts, or fixing clipping than saying you'd rather invest your time into *new content* but then failing to deliver.
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  7. #187
    Player Vinta's Avatar
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    Vinta Calvert
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    If you want to finish it sometime this year (and actually build it properly and not just with random Whatever mods), you do.

    Spiritbonding gear not only takes gil/materials in itself, but it's also extremely unreliable at actually bestowing you with the materia you want. Until we have some better control over what we receive, building our own novus weapons is pretty much a pipe dream.
    So you're trying to say that it's better to buy it off the Marketboard... where other people have put in the work to do what you say is extremely unreliable to make the materia you need come into existence...
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  8. #188
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    Illyasviel Einzbern
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    Ultros
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    Marauder Lv 80
    The biggest problem that Yoshi and the devs seem unaware of is that Squenix's previous MMO FFXI literally gave you the Mog House almost when you created the new character. You appear for the very first time in the world and one of your very first quests given to you is to visit your Mog House. So what happened in this game is literally a 180-degree U-turn from the previous Squenix MMO, where your home is given to you right when your character is "born" and stays with you for all the years you might have played that game.

    Personal Housing isn't a right in other MMOs but considering FFXI it should have been a birthright in FFXIV. Instead it's...yeah.

    Ugh.
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  9. #189
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    Quote Originally Posted by Illya View Post
    The biggest problem that Yoshi and the devs seem unaware of is that Squenix's previous MMO FFXI literally gave you the Mog House almost when you created the new character. You appear for the very first time in the world and one of your very first quests given to you is to visit your Mog House. So what happened in this game is literally a 180-degree U-turn from the previous Squenix MMO, where your home is given to you right when your character is "born" and stays with you for all the years you might have played that game.

    Personal Housing isn't a right in other MMOs but considering FFXI it should have been a birthright in FFXIV. Instead it's...yeah.

    Ugh.
    Amen to that, sister. I totaly agree, considering that FFXIV is imo, supposed to be the legendary FFXI's successor.
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  10. #190
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    Verence's Avatar
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    Verence Meillune
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    Balmung
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    Lancer Lv 70
    I'm sure most if not all of these opinions have been voiced in the thread before, but I still feel it's worth saying.

    Broken promises and misleading statements aside, I think the current system is simply not sustainable for several reasons.
    1. Individuals and Free Companies are obliged to compete for housing on equal footing, yet they are not equal entities with regards to resources, needs, desires, and house usage. Yes this is more efficient serverside, but it fails the essential litmus test of actually providing the services and usability that the homeowners need. Individuals deny FCs of meeting points and private chambers, FC resource gathering capability denies individuals of homes.
    2. Recycling FC housing wards for personal housing enforces a strict Large/Medium/Small ratio that does not accurately reflect the demand for those sizes. On Balmung, all the Small lots were sold within literal minutes of serverup, while a few Mediums and Larges remain unsold. "It's not a problem!" we hear SE say. "There's still room in the wards!" What about those who want a Small? They're left out in the cold, because the set size ratio is grossly out of proportion with what players demonstrably desire in housing.
    3. The lockstep synchrony in ward implementation between servers also does not reflect demand. Two new wards may be enough for low population servers, but it is assuredly not for large servers. I understand the simplicity in keeping things even across all servers, but this means the high population servers suffer in the name of balancing out low population servers. SE's "solution" to this has been to raise prices on high population servers, but this is no solution at all - if more people want houses, make more houses. The measure of success is not how many houses remain unsold, but how many people who want and are willing to work for a house are able to obtain one.
    Yes, this is of course all perfectly resolved if SE keeps plugging out enough wards to meet demands, but given FF XIV's history so far and the expense and time of setting up new servers, I simply don't have any faith that, under this current system, SE is willing to even remotely keep up with demand.
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