Hey Yoshi, you said personal housing "will be far more affordable."

[YeaniNah]

Me i want to know if house bought alone will work with the same rules as the FC house ...30days offline and you lose it like i read. You never know what can happen in the real life : pc broke, accident, anything. For a FC is ok no one lose the house since many in the FC ..but personal hummmm

[Yukiko]

Hello,

The following is a comment from Producer and Director Naoki Yoshida.

Focus will always be on the prices at release, but after one month these prices will be halved. The average amount of gil in possession is much greater than you all imagine, and we are concerned that if we were to lower the cost of land for personal housing any further it would exacerbate problems like RMT and the purchase of land by secondary characters.

I guess Logic error...
What exactly prevent someone with 99.999.999 and more gil to not buy for his secundary and so on?
To make it expensive does not prevent that, it makes sure that player is the only one who can buy it...

The issue is the limited space!
We have 10.000 and more players on the servers, at least "everyone" should be able to get a housing, its not something for the "rich"...
It was understandable for a FC (about 500 players) to pay such high prices, it was to force us into big "groups" - but i can not follow your argumentation when it comes to personal housing, sorry!

Its just a guess, but could it be that you monitor the wrong numbers? I mean: Total gil on server doesnt tell you much about "individual" gil.
Currently my gil is at 30.000, well I dont have problems because there are some ways to gain gil, but it is just not true when you say "the average amount of gil all players possess increased severalfold".
Just to pinpoint: "average" ... and "all players" -> remember what i said about monitoring wrong numbers?

[Yrusama]

Unfortunately, I don't think you should be calling out anyone.

The prices are indeed correct. It is indeed close to 800k gil in TRUE VALUE.

For someone who likes to creep in and out of the markets forums and says he understands the market there, you should understand that 800k gil in value @ 2.1 is approximately 6-8 million gil at the current time. We have seen inflation in MMOs for nearly 20 years and today, for some odd reason, it just suddenly disappeared here. Like this is the first time everyone has ever seen prices adjusted for inflation.

I'm pretty sure they made gil more available so people could have an easier time affording things. Making those things proportionally expensive totally nullifies it all.

Lore-wise, I think we can all agree that the grand companies are just in it for the money. Thus we should take over the Cartineau plains and convert them to a more affordable housing area. MUTINY! *huzzah*

[Rhas]

Yoshi never said 800k. (or 850k) Anywhere. Ever.

Actually he did. He commented that 850k would not be enough to buy a house. Which it isn't... by a long shot.

[Colino]

I'm pretty sure they made gil more available so people could have an easier time affording things. Making those things proportionally expensive totally nullifies it all.

Well not only that, but there had to have been more gil in the system now because people were SAVING UP. Like they don't understand that concept.

They're working on a self fulfilling prophecy because they tell us there will be content we can spend our gil on, but then make it less accessible because we've been saving too much gil. They're actually not gonna make those people spend any of it now because they can't afford to spend it.

[Themis]

Thanks for the response, but I've seen that post. At the very very least, some communication/warning in advance would have been nice...

This is my suggestion/feedback, too. Alert people in advance of things like this, and then they can complain and be answered before a patch. There's nothing worse than having expectation and assumptions (no matter how wrong) and then having those dashed because of a lack of information.

Actually he did. He commented that 850k would not be enough to buy a house. Which it isn't... by a long shot.

Although, that does depend on where you look. The cheapest house is a Grade 5 on the "poorer" worlds, at 2mil starting price which will drop to 1mil in 30 days. That's not too far off. For a world like ours, the starting price of said house is 4mil which would drop (if there were any left) to 2mil, which again isn't that far off in comparison to other houses.

It just depends on what you're expecting with the information available.

[Kinseykinz]

Geez, I feel so special. I have a small personal house and everyone keeps saying I'm elite, the top 1%, etc etc.

Could have sworn I was just a scrub who spiritbonds once a week for an hour or two.

On my world, I can personally buy a medium house...which would mean I had enough gil to buy 2 actually (as I already more or less solo purchased my FC's house)....and YET, I did NOT buy a house why?

Because there are FC's on my server that have been waiting months for a basic plot only to have to now compete with solo players who at least on my server in some cases now own 4 homes.

The issue really isn't cost...it's point blank access.

FC's shouldn't be competing against individuals for land.
FC's shouldn't have more hurdles to jump through than individuals for the same plots (which they do currently)

And land should be expensive, but not exclusive. Meaning, if you have the gil, you should be able to buy in....not be at the mercy of whether or not you can log in quick enough and hit 'buy' before others beat you to it.


Furthermore, SE knew full well they had server limitations to contend with....and they knew full well that there was high interest in both more wards for FC housing AND personal housing. They could have added the wards like they did today, and also offered instanced housing for individuals. The instanced housing could be expensive and maybe even laid out differently but on par size wise w/ a medium home. If they couldn't figure out how to allow gardening/chocobos w/ personal housing this patch, they could have told us that, and STILL have had a better PR day.

PS SE:

-Bentbranch Meadows= Chocobo Stables for the homeless
-Crafted Pots and Planting boxes=gardening small-scale for the individual.

=Much happier playerbase and better use of your resources.


Now if down the line, years from now FC housing wards started having 'empty plots, you could open them up to individuals...but to do so when there is still a high demand on many high-pop servers just for ANY space for a FC to call home was downright arrogant, and irresponsible.

[Kassatsu]

Hello,

The following is a comment from Producer and Director Naoki Yoshida.

His post doesn't fix the fact that he lied to the community. Just because some of the elitist groups sit around selling clears doesn't mean the rest of us are loaded. Maybe he should take a statistics class and learn about outliers and how they can affect the average. Screwing over the more populated/legacy servers with higher prices is not fair to anyone either. By having higher prices now the normal people who buy stuff off the markets have to save their money thus hurting the markets until they can afford to buy the house they want. Plus you've completely screwed the FC's that do not even have a house yet... How is it that the only major part of this patch could be completely screwed up. Thanks Yoshibama for ruining our hopes that we could trust anything you say.

[Xystic]

Yoshi never said 800k. (or 850k) Anywhere. Ever.

The prices are indeed correct. It is indeed close to 800k gil in TRUE VALUE.

Pretty close to 800k in true value gil @ 2.1. I don't see anywhere that I stated a house is 850k.

For someone who likes to creep in and out of the markets forums and says he understands the market there, you should understand that 800k gil in value @ 2.1 is approximately 6-8 million gil at the current time. We have seen inflation in MMOs for nearly 20 years and today, for some odd reason, it just suddenly disappeared here. Like this is the first time everyone has ever seen prices adjusted for inflation.

I also don't see me stating a house costing 800-850k @ 2.1 or 2.38. I do see me stating that 800k gil in converted value is approximately 6-8 million gil current time.

We knew early on based off FC lot release that prices were determined accordingly to the economy and overall gil. Meaning, more than likely, it was going to be the same for housing for 2.38. Its based off the current overall gil now @ 2.38, not at 2.1.

The value of a single piece of gil has DROPPED since 2.1. Based off my speculation on the market the current value of "1 gil" now is worth about 1/8 of what it was worth at 2.1. SE, probably made it cheaper just to compensate for players who really had a difficult time making gil and dropped it even lower. If we were to match gil for gil from 2.1 to 2.38, I'm thinking 6-8 million gil per house. 4 million was very nice and definitely much affordable and definitely LESS than the 800k gil TRUE value @ 2.1.

I also don't see me attaching 800k to a house. At the end I stated 4 million is affordable and if we were to convert that to 2.1 value, it is less than 800k gil was worth at 2.1.

[DarkRain]

My problem with the housing . There in the same zones as FC housing . A FC has to acquire rank 8 to buy any size home . S , M , L any size rank 8. BUT if you want a personal house all you need is gil. No rank nothing speical . Just money. And you get all the perks of a FC small or large . This is what pisses me off the most