People are being cruel to new players

[Sessurea]

Might be harsh, but if you are that new to MMOs, than tank really wasn't the best thing to go for. Maybe play through to 50 1st time on DPS, it's pretty easy and u can pick up everything u need to know along the way. As tank, you are the only tank and people sadly will expect you to know your roles, but as dps it's a lot more forgiving as the whole party contributes to dps and damage checks are pretty relaxed in the early stages of the game while tanking does actually take a rather steep step up once you reach brayflox longstop. Especially on Gladiator as you don't have shield oath until 40.

[Serendipitii]

Might be harsh, but if you are that new to MMOs, than tank really wasn't the best thing to go for. Maybe play through to 50 1st time on DPS, it's pretty easy and u can pick up everything u need to know along the way. As tank, you are the only tank and people sadly will expect you to know your roles, but as dps it's a lot more forgiving as the whole party contributes to dps and damage checks are pretty relaxed in the early stages of the game while tanking does actually take a rather steep step up once you reach brayflox longstop. Especially on Gladiator as you don't have shield oath until 40.

Yes, but how is one supposed to magically KNOW this information BEFORE they open the can of worms? To me it was just a game. -shrugs- I picked gladiator because it sounded fun. I was doing fine on the main storyline and quests, so I thought it would be the same for a dungeon. Didn't know a thing about enmity.

[KaiKatzchen]

Yes, but how is one supposed to magically KNOW this information BEFORE they open the can of worms? To me it was just a game. -shrugs- I picked gladiator because it sounded fun. I was doing fine on the main storyline and quests, so I thought it would be the same for a dungeon. Didn't know a thing about enmity.

No one should magically know, because that shouldn't even have to be an option. People should be able to play what they like and receive help to learn and get better at their chosen class. Not told 'oh well maybe you should try something easier.' This is exactly what happened to my friend. She wanted to play gladiator, thought it looked really fun and loved swords. Tanking on GLD low level sucks beyond all belief... but first dungeon she did me and some friends took her in and helped her out. She got better and went off to do another dungeon. Some high level person told her and the other new people that basically they sucked and got frustrated with them. At this point she's been playing maybe 4 days? Then they tell her, maybe she shouldn't be a tank and play something else.

How can a player base an opinion of how good someone will be on one 30 minute dungeon and only meeting them once, then decided what they should and shouldn't play? She was upset because she loves Gladiator, so I told her look ignore him, keep practicing and get better, you are not a bad tank, just inexperienced. So she did, and she looked up some tutorials, kept practicing and kept running dungeons and shes excited because she can see she's getting better. She said she knows she's not perfect yet, but she won't give up and I support her on that.

I'm not going to tell her 'oh play dps it's easier for your first time', I am going to support the decision she made to play a tank and help her in any way I can until she either becomes a good tank or decides to change on her own accord. Because I can honestly say, I played 3 DPS classes before playing a tank, and it did not help me be a better tank because I was focused on my job and what I should be doing. Not staring at the tank to see what they were doing. I still sucked when I started, I got help from my friends who told me how to play, and what my rotation should be etc.

New players should play what they wanna play, practice get better and have fun. Don't let older players tell them what they should and shouldn't play because they are new.

[LTEvil]

complaint...

You can play what you want, and if you suck without practicing or trying to better yourself than the price is dislike. By you failing one of the more important roles in early stage dungeons you ruin the other party members experiences. The simple fact is, tank is not for the newcomers, nor is healer. You should play as dps for the first run through. HIGHLY SUGGESTED, it'll be a better experience for you. A bad tank is a much bigger handicap than a bad dps. Otherwise you have to look at the picture as a whole. Im pretty sure you drove a car before, remember that time you got mad at the guy/girl slowing you down?

[KaiKatzchen]

You can play what you want, and if you suck without practicing or trying to better yourself than the price is dislike. By you failing one of the more important roles in early stage dungeons you ruin the other party members experiences. The simple fact is, tank is not for the newcomers, nor is healer. You should play as dps for the first run through. HIGHLY SUGGESTED, it'll be a better experience for you. A bad tank is a much bigger handicap than a bad dps. Otherwise you have to look at the picture as a whole. Im pretty sure you drove a car before, remember that time you got mad at the guy/girl slowing you down?

So you're saying that a person can be judged on how well they can do something based off 4 days of game play and only having been in one dungeon before hand? Even though I have said in my previous post that I told her not to give up, that she kept trying and even looked at online tutorials and has admitted to becoming better and hasn't had complaints since? Now if a player is well into the game and onto Paladin and still doesn't get it, then yes maybe tanking is not for them. But telling an obviously new player who doesn't have any experience and is only level 17 that they are bad at what they do and need to change classes, sorry still can't agree. That's not even giving them a chance to develop and show what they can do. And by telling new players they suck, can't play their job, should change or quit.. not only are you 'ruining' their experience, it's also harassment.

And actually, usually it's people who are mad at me on the road, because I follow the speed limit and they all want to go 20 miles over it. If someone is slower in front of me when I'm driving and are below the speed limit I simply wait for a clearing a go around. But then again I'm also the type to give myself more than enough time to get from point A to point B, and not run out of the house last minute so I have to drive like a animal to get somewhere on time.

Also I would like to point out I'm not 'complaining' as you say, as much as saying I can relate to the issues these people are bringing up, due to my friend having gone though the same issues a few days ago. I've never thought it was right to be rude to a new player even before that, so I encourage my friend to keep practicing and get better. I'm a teacher, if I put down a student every time they did a problem wrong, where would that put that student? Yes it is wrong, and NO you do not suck, nor are you bad. You have to learn, now here is how you do it right, try again.

So new payers just need practice. Even if they have to run the 3 starter dungeons over and over until they get it or until they decide that the job is not for them.

[Serendipitii]

The simple fact is, tank is not for the newcomers, nor is healer. Im pretty sure you drove a car before, remember that time you got mad at the guy/girl slowing you down?

Actually healer is what I started out as at first. I leveled my tank and healer equally. Healing came naturally to me, tanking didnt. I think the only issue i had was running out of mp, but i figured it out easily. Whenever I have a crappy tank in my party i take it upon myself to be more focused as a healer rather than a jerk to the tank. I remember the healer in my group first time tanking was the one talking the most shit, yet she wasn't even trying to keep us all alive and was wasting all her MP to DPS. I personally see it as a challenge when there is a crappy tank slowing everyone down. I once had a tank quit right when I got into the stone vigil and me and the two dps actually made it pretty far without one. it was incredible.

[Luvbunny]

Yes, but how is one supposed to magically KNOW this information BEFORE they open the can of worms? To me it was just a game. -shrugs- I picked gladiator because it sounded fun. I was doing fine on the main storyline and quests, so I thought it would be the same for a dungeon. Didn't know a thing about enmity.

If you "read" the class quest storyline and do guildhest and "reading" what you are supposed to do, and read the description of your job abilities and what it does, it would be a bit more easier to know "what you are supposed to do". Most players will be a bit over the minimum level requirement when they do their first dungeon. Also the game bend over backward and forward to "explain everything", spoon feed you, hand hold you, and pretty much "bashed it in" over your head with "what your role is" via the class quest. Obviously if people keep pressing escape and skip CS and not bother to read, not much you can do. And yes, get USB keyboard, it is non negotiable for this game.

[Skinypupy]

Yes, but how is one supposed to magically KNOW this information BEFORE they open the can of worms? To me it was just a game. -shrugs- I picked gladiator because it sounded fun. I was doing fine on the main storyline and quests, so I thought it would be the same for a dungeon. Didn't know a thing about enmity.

I can relate. This was my first MMO as well, and I naively chose to play a tank at launch as well. Thought I was doing just fine because I wasn't having any issues with the story quests and only ventured into dungeons when the story required it. Folks forget that dungeons are completely different than solo play, especially as a tank. I had no idea what aggro entailed, as 99% of my solo play time to that point didn't involve it. I absolutely dreaded any time the story required a dungeon because I didn't have a clue what on earth people were talking about most of the time. I actually unsubscribed for four months after a particularly bad experience tanking Haukke (DPS were pulling every mob then cursing at me when I struggled to get aggro back immediately). Resubbed on a whim a few months later as DPS and have had a blast, but my first experience nearly drove me away from the game for good.

TL: DR - Just be nice to people. Some of them are not only new to a particular class, but new to the entire MMO genre as well.

[LTEvil]

Yes, but how is one supposed to magically KNOW this information BEFORE they open the can of worms? To me it was just a game. -shrugs- I picked gladiator because it sounded fun. I was doing fine on the main storyline and quests, so I thought it would be the same for a dungeon. Didn't know a thing about enmity.

You wont have any idea till you are told honestly. But once told you should be able to figure out for yourself if you can handle that role without much info. Some people have latent talents for picking things up quickly. You aren't one of those people, next best thought should have been to use google or try another class.

Aside from that, if you are new always state it. It doesn't matter how long it takes you to type it out with the in-game keyboard. Get it done, the people in a rush will leave and the nicer ones will help simple as that.

[kyuven]

It's really dependent on environment. Jerks will be jerks.
I try to help everyone I can, personally.