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    Quote Originally Posted by skaterger View Post
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    After reading a lot of you posts, you seem to want this game to be more business than fun. And you should really go Play FFXI with your attitude.

    You say make other friends in one post then, say How people like me and others with odd time schedules shouldn't be catered too.

    It's people like you who make up these absurd percentages such as the "only 1 % has beaten coil yada yada" You need to stop making comments so some fun can be put into this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki View Post
    It's people like you who make up these absurd percentages such as the "only 1 % has beaten coil yada yada" You need to stop making comments so some fun can be put into this game.
    Actually.... SE made the comment about only 2,000 people clearing Second Coil. And that is actually less than 1% if we have more than 200k players.
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    And even from SE that number means nothing.

    If it were unrestricted and that number was still low then that would be awesome, cause then you know it's hard. And that's something they should be proud of. That's like being surprised the faucet doesn't let all the water out at once.
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    Hope they don't apply a loot lock out like CT/ST on Coil, it would suck not being able to roll on gear for a second Job when nobody else wants/need that piece of gear and still have the chance to roll for my main.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki View Post
    And even from SE that number means nothing.

    If it were unrestricted and that number was still low then that would be awesome, cause then you know it's hard. And that's something they should be proud of. That's like being surprised the faucet doesn't let all the water out at once.
    I doubt they are surprised people haven't cleared. It's more than likely their intention that only a small percentage has completed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki View Post
    And even from SE that number means nothing.

    If it were unrestricted and that number was still low then that would be awesome, cause then you know it's hard. And that's something they should be proud of. That's like being surprised the faucet doesn't let all the water out at once.
    It most certainly means something. It means 2,000~ out of however many subs there are, have cleared it. And as someone else said, it's likely intentional for it to be that low. If it was unlocked as you say, they would have to make it even more punishing to keep the ratio the same.

    The point is, the content is not for everyone. That's part of why there are lockouts. And before you say that some people don't have good schedules or don't have much time to play, then that just means they need to either put more effort into finding a good group, or the content really isn't for them. Threads like this make me feel people want to change the content in question away from what it's intended to be. If it's not for you, it's not for you.

    And that's really what it's about. With the ideas i've seen, it will allow people to bypass that "wall" prematurely. This type of content isn't JUST about the difficulty of the content on its own. People say it's anti social, but it's not.

    Content of this type is going to be gated. And skill requirement is not going to be the only gate. Because if it was, we would have the issue of people clearing when they are not skilled enough, because the others in the group are over skilled. OR, it would be tuned so tightly, only those overskilled would be skilled enough to do it with a full group.
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    Who gives a damn if people are buying content clears? I would never. I've got a wonderful FC, that accepts applications for anyone to join btw, but how does this effect anyone in a negative way? Did the game become less fun when people were selling Titan clears? No, it didn't. I attempt coil in pugs via PF, I would gladly join a FC static group, but I can't do a 'static' because of random work schedules (3-4 twelve hour shifts on varying days). I'm certain there are more people like me than there are people that would pay Gil for clears. Buying content wins doesn't hurt anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki View Post
    After reading a lot of you posts, you seem to want this game to be more business than fun. And you should really go Play FFXI with your attitude.

    You say make other friends in one post then, say How people like me and others with odd time schedules shouldn't be catered too.

    It's people like you who make up these absurd percentages such as the "only 1 % has beaten coil yada yada" You need to stop making comments so some fun can be put into this game.
    If you can't handle negative feedback and feel the need to silence every person who does not agree with you, maybe you stop whining like a 3 year old girl and stop posting on these forums.

    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    I doubt they are surprised people haven't cleared. It's more than likely their intention that only a small percentage has completed it.
    I remember yoshi p mentioning in one interview that they were surprised that BG had downed T9 so quickly. They clearly meant for the content to last a long time.

    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    The point is, the content is not for everyone.
    This right here hits the jackpot. Selling runs is not the crux of the problem, the real problem is that everyone feels the need to somehow complete the content before the new one is released. If people can change this mentality, eventually selling of runs will go away because there is no demand for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by waldo View Post
    Did the game become less fun when people were selling Titan clears?
    Yes and no. If titan clear selling was rampant during 2.0 where it was a necessity to get your zenith weapon, and everyone was running around with it, then would be no prestige to the weapon, it loses its meaning because you know that person could easily be #12421 gil buyer to have bought his win. The reason why titan hm/ex up to today is still considered one of the hardest fights in the game is because most people who got their relic weapon back in 2.0/2.1 did it legitimately.

    Quote Originally Posted by waldo View Post
    I'm certain there are more people like me than there are people that would pay Gil for clears.
    I would like to see some evidence of this. One group on my server has been consistently selling wins since early June.

    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...k-Coil-Carries

    Selling runs is more prominent than you think, though I have no idea why people would pay 30 million for a weapon that would be obsolete in 1 month. The only reason why you don't see it as often is because of the lockout.
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    Last edited by skaterger; 08-31-2014 at 06:47 PM.

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  10. #119
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    I can take negative post as long as they are constructive. If it negative to be negative, like you have been doing, then you don't need to post period.

    I like hard interesting fights, like dark souls. It's awesome to beat bosses that you beat barely and get great items for a reward. To say I can't do it and it shouldn't be available to people like me is incredible.

    That's not how games are supposed to be designed. Especially one that says it caters to everyone and is casual.
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    Dark souls is not a hard game, just because you are comfortable with the low bar in that game doesn't mean every difficult thing in every game is for you. People say it's good design but really it's just moderately challenging with a veneer of difficulty that assures players they don't have average ability, then they consequently have a tantrum when they play something that is actually hard. Catering to everyone means it has something for everyone, not everything for anyone.
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