I hope Yoshi-P will not listen to all those immature requests.

[Onidemon]

There is a lot of debate about adding certain features to the game such as Jumping and PVP.

I will take those 2 for now as they are the most popular but it can be applied to other topics.

For those against Jumping, I respect your opinion and all but so far i have not seen a single reasonable argument not to add Jump to the game. The crazy thing is that in a post from Yoshi-P on the japanese forums he said he saw that people mostly are for adding a jump option but don't want a WOW style spamming and that he will take that into consideration when implementing it.

What i have against this approach is that i don't see how "I don't want WOW jumping monkeys running around Eorzea..." is a valuable argument. It's like making a petition to force SE to remove emote because people are abusing it. And no Jumping does not break immersion cuz if it does, a dozen other things already in the game have the potential of doing the same so let's all remove it right?

Is it really normal or the mature thing to do to completely dismiss a feature because few people are abusing it? The same thing could be said about a billion other things and i'm sorry but to me it makes no sense.

PVP is another example. Open world PVP will never happen and that is because too many people are against PK. Why? Because a few morons camped your ass and killed you over and over in WOW? I mean for me personally... when something like that happened i just called for backup and it was fun to give these people a taste of their own medecine and see them run away. Yes Yes i know, FF is a PVE game mainly but i don't think that most of you realize how well done PVP can be really fun and honestly make us interact with one another even more.

To those against open world PVP i propose this....

Cities and the areas around are neutral grounds. No PVP can take place there unless it is friendly duels initiated by both players/parties. Other areas could be contested territories and this is were open PVP and PK can take place... but wait! for those who don't like that, SE can add a on/off PVP flag option. Turning on the option means you are open to PVP and can be attacked by players from opposing..."companies?" turning it off means you are neutral and do not want to take part in that aspect of PVP.(Nobody can attack you)

Wouldn't this please those who are against it? I mean with that system you can't give me the argument of "i don't want to be attacked while farming" Those who wish for open world PVP will be happy too. There is absolutely no negative impact for those against open world PVP so if you disagree with me please give me a valuable argument.. same goes for jumping.

[Malakhim]

I see great things for this thread's future.

[JillianNekonia]

Far as jumping ehh don't care either way it's nice to have but won't make or break the game in any way why this is such an issue is beyond me but meh... PVP oooo now that is another barrel of monkeys my friend.

I personally don't partake in PVP and more than likely never will so having an area be open PVP unless its some kind of arena sounds annoying last thing I want to be doing is trying to walk to an area just to explore it and get sniped by some high Rank gooch face thinking it would be funny to kill me and make me home point. That said I also realize people crave it like meth heads crave... well meth. So I am all for a duel style system as long as I can turn it off and on like you have stated. Not everyone likes PVP so those that do like it should be open minded to the people that don't and vice versa. As long as it's a duel style system you guys can go on killing each other till the sky splits and rains down donuts onto the earth for all I care.

so long story short I like your conclusion and as a hater of PVP I agree with you good Sire. ^^

[Kurokikaze]

I disagree with open world PvP for reasons not stated in the OP - its a nightmare to balance that and PvE.

You mentioned "contested territories" so you must've played WoW... Do you know what "the spec of the month" is? The constant re-balancing that Blizzard does because they nerf an overpowered ability in PvP and in doing so cripples the class in PvE or vice-versa. This has been a never-ending cycle since I started in BC and its not something I want to go through in FFXIV. I believe that the approach that SE used with Ballista in FFXI is best because any PvP changes were restricted to just during Ballista. All they have to do is make it way more fun than that was.

PvP in a controlled arena environment - bring it on. Though I think they should fix the battle system in general and broken classes before they even start considering that. Otherwise it'll be a mess.

Jumping/Swimming I'm all for but they need a purpose and mechanics. Puzzles, combat elements, questing etc needs to use it. Don't give us that just to have it.

[Jibe]

PvP is a very touchy subject. My personal opinion is they should create open world PvP only on specific servers. Should still be able to duel and stuff (Arena combat) on any server, but otherwise keep it on its own server. If they do decide to do that they should give players the option to migrate to the PvP servers for free for a certain time period after they bring them online.

I do think that an arena combat system would be cool, with rewards that are unobtainable anywhere else. The grouped arena combat in WoW was pretty fun for the most part and it is a good concept. Just keep open world PvP on its own server. Thank you.

[Jibe]

Jumping. I don't really care either way personally. Maybe they should consider only allowing jumping when you are within a certain distance of some obstacle, that would avoid WoW jumping monkeys . They could make it seamless though, like pressing the jump button doesnt even work unless you are say 10 yalms from any sort of obstacle you might want to jump over. Such as a ledge, fence, river, etc. It's just an idea, however. If they add jumping WoW style I will still play the game, if they don't add it at all, I will still play the game.

Hell I will probably play the game even if they remove walking and everyone has to crawl around everywhere.

[Bartel]

Open world PvP is a nuissance. It causes griefing and discourages low level players because there is ALWAYS some jerk who just sits in the lowbie areas and repeatedly kills players all day long. Then, those low level players get pissed off and either quit, or when they get high enough do the same thing to new players in an endless cycle. PvP in the game is fine, but open world PvP is a mistake. It adds absolutely nothing to the depth of the game, and is more frustrating than it is worth to the vast majority of players. Now, if you want to make instanced PvP, or something similar to FFXI, I'm all for that. Make some cool minigames, or some straight up 1v1, 3v3, etc arena style PvP.

As for jump, what I would like to see is just a toned down version of WoW jump. I mean, in WoW all players can jump like they are NBA All Stars on crack. I'd much rather see jumps be implemented, but the jump height be less, so that you can still get over the smaller obstacles, but not much more than that. For medium sized obstacles, maybe make it more like FFXIII (even though I hated the game) so that you can auto jump up the slightly larger obstacles, but make it believable, like jumping from small ledge to ledge or something. Anyone who says jumping ruins immersion is making a pretty ridiculous argument, as to me it seems more like having NO form of jump ruins the continuity of the gameplay more than having a small jump would. I mean, if I'm this big bad warrior in Eorzea that can't jump over a 6" obstacle, how is that immersive?

[Kilta_Firelotus]

bi video game ever made, ever added a feature just for sake of adding one. Jump is wow when played wasn't bad. It had exploration purposes and other stuff. I also barely saw ppl spam it Infact i seen more ppl spam the dance emote in ffxi then I saw ppl spam jump in WoW. I played WoW for 1.5 - 2 years. I also would like to see a pk system much like Perfect world international. Have it work like OP suggested. Its only when you flag for it. This means say 20+ you have the option to partake in pvp. Pvp was good in ballista and brenner (the areana battle one) And no tweeks really happen. Balance is hard to do in mmo. Mostly due to min/maxing and this goes into pve and pvp. Like ffxi had to "nerf" aka balance rangers as thet was doing too much dmg and the tanks couldn't tank. I think what they should do to help keep pvp and pve balanced is put a stricy stat cap. That way your damgage output is not epicaly high. Like a monk shouldn't do more damage then a dark knight.

[Dalmore]

I'm 100% against open world PvP no matter if they dedicate servers for it or not. maybe sport PvP like in 11, you get into heavy PvP and the game gets ruined over and over with balance issues. leave that for PvP games wouldnt even fit into the lore, I mean the races dont hate each other or anything.

I'm also against Jumping in any form but thats just me and jumping i guess would be the lesser of two evils but still not needed or wanted by me at least...

[Reika]

They can always make separate servers for PvP like most MMO's do.