Scholar change is my "No Confidence" in square.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I think people who believe SCH are OP fail to remember that they are playing on their side, as well.

When less and less scholars will show up in FL, people will start whining about dying too quickly due to the lack of healers (since WHM is probably next in the nerf queue).

[Zanctus]

I think people who believe SCH are OP fail to remember that they are playing on their side, as well.

When less and less scholars will show up in FL, people will start whining about dying too quickly due to the lack of healers (since WHM is probably next in the nerf queue).

It's quite possible, if they do go after the healers, their role in pvp (at least frontlines) will become more obsolete, and the new meta will be a class between damage dealers. But doubt they'll let it runaway and become this bad.

[Leonesaurus]

I think people who believe SCH are OP fail to remember that they are playing on their side, as well.

When less and less scholars will show up in FL, people will start whining about dying too quickly due to the lack of healers (since WHM is probably next in the nerf queue).

Also, to jump in here again, as a warrior, this means that scholars have even more priority to defend than they already did, because the WHM doesn't have to worry about getting hit with a debuff by opposing PLD's or MNK's. Usually, what is optimal in a controlled situation where Scholar's are difficult to take down, is to stun the fairy and burn that down first, crippling their healing by 50% and then killing the scholar while it desperately tries to resummon it. Unless it's 10-1, then you just burn them down flat out.

The way it'll work now is MNK's and PLD's will be actively singling out scholar's and possibly left over SMN's with that new ability and focusing them down first. Party members job will then be to mark scholar's as #1 and then WHM #2 in most, if not all cases. However, in retaliation to this, it cannot be spammed like any other regular ability.
It'll have a cooldown period, so the scholar will have to reform their strategy and mindset around that and make sure to have a backup aetherflow ready to go, or just not use aetherflow until after they see the ability go out on either a stray summoner or another scholar in the party.

[Koltik]

stun the fairy and burn that down first, crippling their healing by 50% and then killing the scholar while it desperately tries to resummon it

Really? Or they just hit swiftcast summon when they see Eos is about to die. Or they just heal eos since you are all now attacking Eos. Or they micro Eos to kite your melee dps who are trying to kill it.

I mean really?

[Leonesaurus]

Really? Or they just hit swiftcast summon when they see Eos is about to die. Or they just heal eos since you are all now attacking Eos. Or they micro Eos to kite your melee dps who are trying to kill it.

I mean really?

Nope, this only works once. After you burn down the fairy and second time, or cancel it with enough stuns, it means no more than a second chance for that scholar. Trust me, this works. I was on summoner trying to kill a scholar, and the scholar would just not die. I had a monk with me as well and it was just like punching a brick wall. We kept hitting the scholar constantly. Fulling dotted, festered, Ruin II. Basically the whole 9-yards. Finally, I get fed up with the BS and decided to focus down the damn fairy while the MNK and my own DoTs kept the scholar busy.

[Hailie]

Nope, this only works once. After you burn down the fairy and second time, or cancel it with enough stuns, it means no more than a second chance for that scholar. Trust me, this works. I was on summoner trying to kill a scholar, and the scholar would just not die. I had a monk with me as well and it was just like punching a brick wall. We kept hitting the scholar constantly. Fulling dotted, festered, Ruin II. Basically the whole 9-yards. Finally, I get fed up with the BS and decided to focus down the damn fairy while the MNK and my own DoTs kept the scholar busy.

Ya! well while you all are busy burning the Fairy down for a 2nd time it can be recast ed manually. Is this scenario in Frontlines? or the Wolf Den? by chance?

[Leonesaurus]

stuff

(Continued from last reply post)

Fairy died, and they used swiftcast + summon to bring her back one more time. If you play scholar, summoner or blm, you now how long it takes to get that swiftcast back. After round 2, and your fairy goes down, you're basically f***ed. This is how to eliminate a scholar when you're just 1-2 people. Unless the scholar is terrible at their job, you're not going to burn one down simply by a one on one, or even a 2 on 1 encounter. That pet makes it that much harder for it to happen. Plus, when that scholar loses their fairy, they start panicking like crazy. Trust me, I've seen it happen multiple times.

[Koltik]

sch pet stuff

Let me rephrase. This will not work against any SCH that actually knows how to PvP and manage their pet. All the SCH needs to do is sustain their Eos and it can self heal against one person attacking it, maybe requiring the occasional heal from the SCH.

Killing Eos is not a bad plan, but it needs to be done in the right scenarios.

[Leonesaurus]

I think people who believe SCH are OP fail to remember that they are playing on their side, as well.

When less and less scholars will show up in FL, people will start whining about dying too quickly due to the lack of healers (since WHM is probably next in the nerf queue).

(CONTINUED)

Think about it. 2 PLD's and 1-2 MNK's would make 4 chances to pop that ability across 2-4 possible scholar's set up. This means that in this scenario, everyone will focus down scholar's in an order meaning (PLD #1 gets SCH #1 - PLD #2 gets SCH #2 - MNK #1 gets SCH #3, and so on <--- for knocking off aetherflow's only, then focusing down one at a time). The scholar can then simply pop another aetherflow as the first will be a decoy or held at 1 stack, and go back to normal until the opposing forces ability is ready again.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

(CONTINUED)

stuff

Fun theory. Too bad it only works on paper.

More likely scenario:

- PLD and MNK on SCH (as well as the usual Bard, for some reason there is ALWAYS a Bard bothering healers)
- Aetherflow stacks disappear
- Equanimity is used by the SCH to keep himself alive
- Equanimity ends
- Aura Blast
- Attunement
- People start dying because the healer is more busy keeping himself alive, since he can't use Lustrate anymore to spot-heal other people in need

And in the meantime, WHMs are happily spamming Holy, stunning and melting people AOE while pushbacking and rooting harassers.

SCH are already VERY frustrating to play. Without your PvP cooldowns up, you are dead meat the moment the fight starts if the enemies are not muppets.

Sure, they were though - THANK THE GODS. If they weren't tough they would be completely useless.