So what's the purpose of making i95 crafted weapons so hard to make?

[Teirshin]

In FFXIV vanity gear is super duper rare and pricey.....

In other MMOs... they hand it out like candy.....

That's SE for you... they just have to be different, even if it makes no real sense.

Since its usually the casuals/RP'ers who want most of the vanity stuff, SE sure is telling them to take a hike by making it so hard to get that only hardcore/ultra rich players will ever see a Coeurl Bikini or sleepset, etc.

Sort of confused just what they really expect to happen long term when casual players get tired of not being able to get "casual" aka "noncombat" gear and move elsewhere......

[Jasiwel]

The weapons aren't worth the price at all. Maybe if they made their power comparable to the other iLvl.95 Tidal Wave weapons (not the same, but comparable), then it'd be worth.

In other words, it's the price of glamour, which is the dev's methodology of making stuff not obsolete.

[axemtitanium]

The weapons aren't worth the price at all. Maybe if they made their power comparable to the other iLvl.95 Tidal Wave weapons (not the same, but comparable), then it'd be worth.

In other words, it's the price of glamour, which is the dev's methodology of making stuff not obsolete.

They're stronger than Tidal weapons i95 if you meld them. Vanity is for the rich and vain, as it should be.

[Taruranto]

Because Yoshi hates crafters/gatherers.

Same reason you need to blow milions for vanity armors or the iLevel 95 gathering weapon requires you to blow 3m at least.

They need the crafters to have something to do without being active in the end-game scene.

[Exstal]

ilv110 is the candy.
Lol...what happened to this game,

They just killed XI, now they come to kill XIV

If it keeps going in this direction,the game will be a joke

You remind me of Akiza. Doom and gloom all day.

[Wulfgang]

I kind of like the ridiculousness of it. Gil sinks and long-term buyable/sellable item goals have been few and far between in this game. In XI, Adaman Hauberk was the grail for heavy melees, but there was a lot of satisfaction with saving up and buying a Hauberk/Haubergeon +1 for yourself as well; for smiths, making and selling one was great as well. Not saying these primal weapons are an exact corollary to the Haub in my example, but there are some favorable similarities.

[Felessan]

- Primal weapons takes either too much time or too much money to make.

They are not meant to be equipped, same as with "Elite" GC Equipment. 1700 seals is an equivalent of 2 sands for ilvl*70* weapon. But many of them looks rather nice.

Hence why vanity items from fishing are almost impossible to get. Hence why the glamour system in general favors the rich and can't even be used until you have a level 50 character anyway.

SE turned glamour system into fashion system. There are cheap items, and there are expensive ones. Some of them *very* expensive. It keeps people busy and economy alive.

Despite making an engaging crafting system, SE does not like crafters.

"Relevant battle-crafting" leads to abuse as we saw in 2.0. This is why "battle-oriented" crafting is nerfed with each phase, people just tends to abuse system to get early advantage in raids. And overall it's not good when you can "pay 2 win" through content.

Issue is it is all for vanity.

And vanity is a huge market. People like good-looking stuff. And some of them have a lot of money to spend.

They need to release these new weapons at the start of patches and make the HQ ones for example in patch 2.2 I105 with materia equivalent to the 110 ones. Make crafting have a reason to exist, make the money have some real value outside of getting a pillow to sit on or having a fancy glowing glamour.

Crafting of battle gear was nerfed in 2.2-2.3 and it have nothing to do with RMT and such. People just abuse crafting to get overgear as soon after the patch as possible to roll-over content. And this have nothing to do with "skill-based" progression which Yoshi-P tries to establish.

So, i have no reason to buy it.

I'm rather poor - I only have 15 mil gil. But I like to spent my gil on fashion items occasionally. For example I bought elite maelstrom bow even though it have insane pricetag of 1700 seals.
The problem here in lack of understanding that some items are not meant for everyone. Bugatti Veyron is not you usual budget class car. But these super-expensive items keep downflow of money and thus preventing raising in-game gini coef too high and also liven up economy.

[TeaTimeBear]

15 mil is not rather poor. Talk to me when you're still stuck @ 300k.

[TheRogueX]

4 pages and people didn't say the reason; it's supposed to be rare.

You don't use the weapon for actual use, you use it to look pretty. Which is why the ability to HQ was comical to me.

No. This isn't an acceptable reason. It's like the lame costs of GC iLvl 70 Allied Seals gear. If it's just meant to "look pretty," they shouldn't even bother giving it stats if it's not going to be equivalent to the best items in the game. Especially if it going to be this pointlessly hard to get.

It's honestly disappointing because while SE's crafted a rather fun and well designed crafting system (not just click and win, hurrah!) they made it so that crafting is only relevant as a means of making vanity.

I'm not sure if it is entirely Yoshi-P or because of the "hardcore elite snowflakes" but this game refuses to make crafting even a viable progression alternative. Crafting is *useful* (outside of fluff) for leveling a new job and giving them HQ gear. But once you're 50? Everything you can make as a crafter can be acquired with less effort as an adventurer. And I for one think that's wrong.

I have an armoursmith to 50, got my HQ 55 gear and then just stopped. I saw how much work goes into the new gear and what the value of that gear was and I just washed my hands of it.

I get the most enjoyment out of crafting things that people use. I crafted stuff for myself and stuff for my friends. But once we got to 50? Why bother? It'll cost so much to make something actually usable (again, outside of glamour) when we can just do some really easy dungeons for equivalent or better gear.

Despite making an engaging crafting system, SE does not like crafters.

^This. I'm not sure where the end-game crafter hate comes from, but it's stupid.

People are mistaking vanity for "easy to get". Look at the rich and famous people in real life. They spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on cosmetics and vanity products. When was the last time a diamond necklace was useful for something other than looking pretty? Vanity items in this game are expensive and hard to get BECAUSE they're useless, not the other way around.

Except for the fact that, your entire argument falls apart when you compare the game to the real world. Vanity systems in games aren't just used for rare, otherwise useless trinkets. Look at the cost of the Spring Dress, the Sailor clothes, etc. Explain to me why there are no LOWER QUALITY, LOWER RARITY dresses, clothes, etc. You know, like in the real world.

I get that vanity should be rare.

Why? There should be instances of rare and hard to get vanity items, sure. But not ALL vanity should be rare and expensive.

They're stronger than Tidal weapons i95 if you meld them. Vanity is for the rich and vain, as it should be.

See above.

They are not meant to be equipped, same as with "Elite" GC Equipment.

So why bother giving them stats and an iLvl at all?

SE turned glamour system into fashion system. There are cheap items, and there are expensive ones. Some of them *very* expensive. It keeps people busy and economy alive.

This is a laughable attempt to justify SE's ridiculously bad vanity system. Oh, and there are no 'cheap' vanity-specific items.

I'm rather poor - I only have 15 mil gil. But I like to spent my gil on fashion items occasionally. For example I bought elite maelstrom bow even though it have insane pricetag of 1700 seals.
The problem here in lack of understanding that some items are not meant for everyone. Bugatti Veyron is not you usual budget class car. But these super-expensive items keep downflow of money and thus preventing raising in-game gini coef too high and also liven up economy.

lol! 15mil is poor? What!? That's the lamest thing I've heard for quite some time! I've never even broken 1mil! Anyway, there is no "lack of understanding" here. The Bugatti Veyron is definitely not your usual budget class car. However, this game doesn't have a budget-class of vanity gear. Therein lies the problem.

[Risvertasashi]

There was one of these threads that came up that an SE rep actually responded to. I don't remember the exact wording but basically... their game design decision is that the best gear will be a reward for completing content. ie, dungeon drops, coil drops, etc.

Personally, I 100% support this. I hate games where being geared depends on being rich.

Right now, to be geared, all you have to do is be reasonably skilled at killing stuff. How it should be IMO.

And, anyway, before this crafters complained everything was too easy...