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  1. #11
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    Tashigi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krr View Post
    I think in this case, the issue is that a player is being forced to use what is definitely TOS-breaking software in order to participate with a group, that both has other methods available to them for gauging the player and is managing that requirement in a way that makes them immune to action.
    I see.
    Though as you noted above, there is very little that can be done about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tashigi View Post
    It's coming, but you'll have to wait.
    The mod/api tools won't be available until later in the year (Possibly next year). At which time, these things will be available to PC and I believe, PS4 users, too. I don't know about the PS3, as it's already pushed to the very limit when it comes to these things (Memory maxed for UI).
    See but why do i have to get this kind of information from you though? Why cant I get this from them? Why cant they be open about it? It's such a glaring inequality. And I don't like all of the vagueness on the issue. It's supposed to be a fun game. Not some epeen measuring contest but that's what it is right now. You cant even get into groups that take the game seriously unless you have the stupid freaking meters.

    So in my situation, i'm goign to have having to ask others who have this advantage what i'm pulling and if that's against the rules, then i'd rather just be an ignorant fool like they want me to be so i can continue playing. fucking a. I just want it explicitly clear so that I am not violating any of their flawed rules.
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    Last edited by ghostx1984; 08-11-2014 at 03:20 PM.

  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tashigi View Post
    I see.
    Though as you noted above, there is very little that can be done about it.
    Yeah. It's an unfortunate sign of player attitude at the top level and not much else, I guess.
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    video games are bad

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    You're probably not going to get one beyond a grey-area reminder to stop talking about Fight Club.
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    It's been like this for a long time, since XI.

    http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Third-Party_Tool

    Official Square Enix Policy

    Third party tools are cheating tools that give an unfair advantage. All of them are completely banned both in Final Fantasy XI and Final Fantasy XIV. Violators of the ban may have their access to the game suspended or revoked. The GMs investigate reports of third party tool usage and punish the players responsible. Players who download third party tools are placing their characters and account at risk from both official punishment and malware-containing programs.

    Unofficial Square Enix Policy

    In actual practice, Square Enix is notably more lenient towards third party tool users than their official policy suggests.

    Square Enix's unofficial policy towards third party tools has been described as "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil":

    Square Enix takes no effort whatsoever to actively look for most third party tool users, with the exception being anti-RMT campaigns. Contrast with World of Warcraft's "Warden" program, which actively scans players' computers looking for cheating tools and other unauthorized mods.
    When determining whether a user under investigation is using a third party tool, absolutely no evidence outside the game is allowed into consideration. It does not matter how many screenshots or forum posts the player shows or admits their guilt in. Only a confession in-game is valid. Contrast Square Enix's own policy for banning RMT players, who may be banned merely for a suspicious pattern of behavior with no hard evidence of any kind. Hence, what is known as the "Fight Club" rule ("The first rule of Fight Club, is you don't talk about Fight Club"): never talk about the third party tools you use in-game.
    Square Enix almost never makes any effort whatsoever to alter their client to either introduce incompatibilities with known third party tools or alter the client behavior that allows the tools to function. For example, there is a third party tool that allows players to see a fellow party member's TP; normally, a player sees only their own TP. But the server sends data to the client telling it what every party member's current TP is, and it stores this data in memory even though it has no authorized use. The tool merely needs to read those memory locations to gain the information.
    Square Enix will delete any posts made on their official forum that mention the names of specific third party tools, and the poster will be punished. This impedes attempts to bring known issues with third party tools to Square Enix's attention. Many players have received the impression that they have no intention of doing anything about third party tools and would just rather not hear about it.
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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostx1984 View Post
    It's disingenuous that they have not come out and said what you just said.
    They have come out an said exactly what he said, many, many, many, many times. Moderators of these forums, and even Yoshi P himself in interviews when asked about it, have all stated that it is currently against the rules. And on top of that, it has been written in the ToS for the entire history of this game, since 1.0 beta. The real question is how many times are ya'll gonna ask the same question and expect a different answer?
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  7. #17
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    They've already made one:

    "We would also like to remind players that third-party tools that modify or parse game data violate the User Agreement, and that players who are found to be using these tools will be met with strict disciplinary action."

    What is everyone's issue with reading comprehension when it comes to this subject?
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    Why don't you just ask a friend who plays on PC to parse you and tell you what number you got?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostx1984 View Post
    Because then what you are doing is bascially handing all of your server firsts on a platter to people playing on pc and it isn't about skill. There simply is no way for a ps4 player to compete with having that type of information to make improvements and adjustments.
    Wow wow wow! So parsers hands out server firsts to people huh?
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    You'll have to forgive me for having a strong distaste for inequalities and flawed rules that are left in place as status quo.

    All it does is make me think of our terrible congress and their tax sheltering corporations so that they can protect protect their funding. Their broken policies will be the end of them. All you have to do is wait, but it will cause many to suffer in the meantime.

    I prefer keeping everything straightforward, honest and on the level.
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