Achievement Points: Give them a purpose

[Gilraen]

It's not so much 'I have to earn achievements now?' as it is that most achievements just happen. You get an achievement for exploring a dungeon. If it's your first time/you want all the loot you're doing that anyway! Heck, some dungeons are just straight lines! You get all the rewards from a special event, achievement! You left your inn room, achievement! Okay, that last one doesn't really happen, but you get the idea. You don't really earn half of the achievements, they just happen. To give the points you get from them some manner of value makes no sense. As for my opinion on achievements, I'd rather they weren't in the game. It's an empty system that really has no place in an MMO.

[Nicobo]

...an empty system that really has no place in an MMO.

Achievement definitely is the real endgame score, it reflects your completion.
Some achievements are very hard to obtain and most ppl can ignore them,
and as you said, a normal player at least should have n achievements completed when he calls it end game.
If he doesn't, his end game apparently has missed some experiences that everyone have.
Then he can review what he has missed. ^^;

[Gilraen]

Achievement definitely is the real endgame score, it reflects your completion.
Some achievements are very hard to obtain and most ppl can ignore them,
and as you said, a normal player at least should have n achievements completed when he calls it end game.
If he doesn't, his end game apparently has missed some experiences that everyone have.
Then he can review what he has missed. ^^;

But that ignores the other half of the equation that is this game, RPG. Your journal is a far better judge of accomplishments in-game than the achievements could ever be. You can look through and see all the quests and side-quests you completed, compare them to friend's or an online list and see what you missed. An achievement is just for doing things you were doing anyway, like killing 10,000 enemies. You did that grinding dungeons for loot, big deal.

[Nicobo]

But that ignores the other half of the equation that is this game, RPG. Your journal is a far better judge of accomplishments in-game than the achievements could ever be. You can look through and see all the quests and side-quests you completed, compare them to friend's or an online list and see what you missed. An achievement is just for doing things you were doing anyway, like killing 10,000 enemies. You did that grinding dungeons for loot, big deal.

I think it would depend on the achievement design. In ARR, 90% achievements would be obtained unintentionally,
in most times, an achievement would become a milestone, for example, i still remember my 10000th killed enemy was CT final boss.. ^^;

TBH, as a RPG player, why not try to unlock everything available in the game?
So, why not give some award "ie. a title", to these real RPGer? ^^;

[Felis]

So long saisonal events give again around 40 points total like in 1.x while other achievements give only around 10 points, why not