Should vote-to-dimiss remain anonymous?

[radius0]

I'm on the fence with revealing the identity of the person who initiates votes-to-dismiss a player or instance. On the other hand, so many people are abusing this system because they know their identities will remain anonymous.

A few days ago I hit up Garuda Ex. I figured something was wrong when a few players (who obviously knew each other) were acting like jerks. The noob tank, who didn't bother to know about the fight, had the other tank explain the mechanics. No big deal, I guess, since some players prefer to go into a fight blindly and learn that way. So whatever. But then this noob tank decided to go AFK while the other tank took the time to type out everything! WTF. When that inconsiderate tank finally returned, it was pretty clear he hadn't paid attention to what the other tank wrote since we wiped. Immediately on that first wipe, the tank who took the time to explain everything was abruptly 'dismissed'. I was confused. I'd pushed 'no' and asked why that tank was dismissed since he did nothing wrong at all. Then one of the tank's apparent buddies replied with a cynical 'who, what, where, and how' wise-ass reply. I ignored this guy (the healer) since I didn't want to feed the troll. We finally got a tank replacement. This one was also patient and, while we wiped a few times, we were making progress in the fight. but then, abruptly SOMEONE initiates the the vote-to-dismiss isntance! Not once. Not twice. BUT THREE TIMES. On both times the party rejected the motion. But on the THIRD time the window popped-up, it occurred immediately when the tank was pulling garuda and everyone was going in. Naturally, you're gonna push 'yes', especially if you want to get rid of the window. But I paused and noticed these assholes had AGAIN pushed the vote to dismiss and pushed no. Sadly, the rest of the party caught on too late and we were dimissed.

I already sent my report to SE. But it does make me wonder if the vote-to-dismiss should remain anonymous since people act like jack-asses when they know no one knows it's them initiating it. I know the tank and healer were involved with the trolling by the way they brushed off the dismisses and made fun of the situation. In another event, I remember months back I was in a titan ex run and people kept telling me someone in our group was trying to dismiss me. They didn't know who the troll was, but they were telling me this troll wanted me gone even though I hadn't done anything wrong. We eventually learned it was the other BLM in the party since he showed his true colors by intentionally pulling titan (hoping we would all dismiss the instance).

I dunno. On the one hand I value the ability to vote for dismiss and not worry about backlash. But with gamers like this running amuck, it's hard enjoying the game when any troll can abruptly dismiss the instance and have his/her identity protected.

[Deviant1]

should make it so the person who initiated it, and the votes of the other people are known. full transparency and less people would be kicked.

[Mcshiggs]

I've reported for vote kick abuse one time, was contacted by a GM and the first thing he asked was if I knew who initiated the vote, so if the GMs aren't even going to take the time to check the logs, then yes it should show the person that initiated it, and the how the people voted.

[Rath]

Vote to abandon can be done by any player, and should be known to everyone. Vote to dismiss can only be initiated by the party leader I assumed, and you should know who your party leader is, even in a DF group.

[Mcshiggs]

Vote to abandon can be done by any player, and should be known to everyone. Vote to dismiss can only be initiated by the party leader I assumed, and you should know who your party leader is, even in a DF group.

Anyone can initiate a vote to dismiss in duty finder, if you are in a premade group out and about, then yes only the leader can boot someone from the group.

[radius0]

Yeah, in DF anyone can vote to abandon the instance after 15 minutes have passed. it's why in my report i told the GM the players who I *thought* were involved based on my observations. Not sure if anything will be done about it, tbh. But I'd like to think SE is reevaluating their voting system and its disclosures.

For myself, i believe transparency is the key to stopping this type of abuse. I get WHY SE wanted this system to remain anonymous. But it does more harm than good since the ones typically initiating a dismissal are either rage quitters or trolls who don't want to suck up the time penalty.

[HeroSamson]

I don't get why the duty thing closes when it has people waiting for that tank or dps or healer.

when it should just fill the spot or send us in the fight without it till one comes.

Its better than retrying over and over again.

[Vetaro]

Yesterday i had a really nice run in hullbreaker isle. The tank had trouble with keeping aggro so it happened that our healer got aggro of a single mob and instead of doing his job the tank let it be. The healer died after this and suddenly they wanted to kick him. Worst is the reason for the kick was CHEATING! Also nothing was writen in the chat at that time so when the healer was gone he didn't even know what has happened. Since i could not agree with it i left right after that so the other dd could wait with the tank.

In the support desk they write vote kick abuse is a punishable act but in the report they want to know who initiated the kick. Now i wonder how should the healer report it when there are 3 players who could have done it?

I think they should either remove vote dismiss or make it possible to see who startet it and who voted in what way. After all the healer doesn't even know that one person didn't want to kick him and might think all three of us are assholes.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

I also think the person kicked should know which reason was selected for why they were kicked.

[Kydi]

I agree that if you're kicked then you should know by whom and why. Even if it isn't necessarily public at initiation of the kick, if it's successful then the player kicked should know so they can challenge/report/ignore the person who initiated the vote.