Why is FFXIV considered to be so hard/hardcore?

[TheRogueX]

Its not difficult, this is just a massive case of the "first MMO syndrome"

I laugh at every thread talking about how unforgiving crafting is when I still have nightmares about crafting in other MMO's

Lineage II: My D-grade Tarbar required me to hunt down 128 pieces of Steel, 128 Cokes, 64 pieces of High Grade Suede, 430 Crystal: D Grade (obtained only by destroying other D grade items), and 139 Gemstone D (expensive vendor goods). Oh, and did I mention that I also had to have 7 Tarbar heads (wtf was the rest of the crap for???)?

The drop rates on these items, btw, were like 1/120, 1/240, 1/350 or worse. Only one race could craft. Higher level items had to have two copies of the recipe, as one was used up in the crafting process.

You want to see hard with tons of one shots :

Akilyios (Rift): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=662OoYUvgwE

There is nothing in FFXIV that even comes close to the difficulty of that fight. But yet we pugged it hundreds of times.

Haha, that video would have been fun to watch, but man... too much clutter on the screen and giant numbers popping up on top of the action. I really hate raiders who think they need all that crap in the way.

[Moheeheeko]

This line reminds me of the Hot Heart of Magic/Shining Statue of Siel in Aion. *sniff* Oh, the pain.

Exactly. Oh whats that? you failed a bunch of materia melds? cost you a few million? Hot Heart Of Magic cost the equivalent of a LARGE house in this game, and lots of people failed 10+ times.

[Edli]

Lineage II: My D-grade Tarbar required me to hunt down 128 pieces of Steel, 128 Cokes, 64 pieces of High Grade Suede, 430 Crystal: D Grade (obtained only by destroying other D grade items), and 139 Gemstone D (expensive vendor goods). Oh, and did I mention that I also had to have 7 Tarbar heads (wtf was the rest of the crap for???)?

The drop rates on these items, btw, were like 1/120, 1/240, 1/350 or worse. Only one race could craft.

That's just time consuming. I have played L2 and it was difficult the way Facebook games are difficult if you don't pay for coins. What I remember from the game was sitting in one spot and killing the same mobs all day over and over again. The process itself wasn't challenging, just time consuming. If you lost your weapon by enchanting it be ready to go back and kill those same mobs for one more month. It challenged my sanity that's for sure.

[TheRogueX]

f you lost your weapon by enchanting it be ready to go back and kill those same mobs for one more month. It challenged my sanity that's for sure.

Or by dropping it. I once saved up for my shiny Bastard Sword (which had a 1/20k drop rate from monsters 10 levels higher than its level), only to die and have it drop. It was picked up by a passing stranger who offered to sell it back to me for about 5x what I had initially paid for it.

[Mattlex]

This game isn't hardcore in the least, there are some unnecessary restrictions (BCoB2 Lockout etc) and unforgiving mechanics in some battles that don't leave room for casual or lazy players. However, in comparison to FFXI (before the cap was raised above 75) this game is a breeze.. seriously I may moan about how ridiculous some things like dying AF are but it really doesn't compare to lengths you'd have to go to get simple things done in XI, anything worth getting required you to dedicate your life to it! >.< The best example of this is the original Relic quest in XI compared to XIV...

[Hiruke]

People think it's hard because they don't have Deadly Boss Mods to remind them of what to do constantly.

[Raeletta]

Because the community is full of quitters, the game likes to make it so one mistake can screw you, no one accepts failure, no one is willing to teach and no one will accept responsibility.

I still haven't been past turn 2, still haven't gotten titan EX done. I always get ignored for no experience, or can't come because I can't play every x-day at x-time. This isn't / wasn't helped by the dodgy lockout systems.

The game is hardcore in only one respect: You have to treat it that way to get anywhere with its community, or have extreme luck.

I haven't even logged on in over a month. I'd love to, but I just end up sat there doing nothing. The last fun I had was Gilgamesh and that's because I was right at the front of the crowd so no one could try to exclude me for stupid stuff.

[Grizzlebeard]

and unforgiving mechanics in some battles that don't leave room for casual or lazy players.

You, and many others on these forums, seem to mistakenly believe that casual players somehow lack the same skills as the laughably-labelled "hardcore" crowd. They simply have less available time to play, whether by choice or necessity. Some of us have been playing games considerably longer than many of the snot-nosed diaper brigade on here who mistakenly believe 1-2 day's content classifies them as hot shit raiders but many of us have simply come to the point where we're no longer invested in busting our balls for 3 monthly gear resets and asinine boss mechanics that can be learned by watching YouTube.

I accept we're probably on the same page in thinking this game is stupidly easy as well. I just take umbrage at the labelling of casuals as borderline windowlickers.

[Sarlazzar]

it's not hard in the sense of the difficulty of the game, it is hard because it deminds people to not lag (brain and connection), also everyone focus to evade the countless numbers of repeated attempts to 1 shot the players. Your gear doesn't matter that much, your progress into the fight doesn't matter, if you scratch your nose at the wrong moment when the boss is at 1%, your whole party wipe.

[Mature]

To put it clear :

You have a static the game becomes easy. As you have time to practice over and over again. Is like playing offline but with friends

You have no static the game becomes A challenge. You have no one to practice on a regular basics , you have to adjust to others people's tactics making it difficult to have a routine.

In other words those who clear coil 1 and 2 over and over again are no better or different than someone without a static only they have an advantage over the non static players.

I still find hilarious read the shouts and the lame PF looking for pros and mega clear experience... they forget when they started or how they learn.