I hope this clears up some of the Rogue>Ninja rage

[Eardstapa]

So following your logic WAR should just be a class and PLD should be it's job? Ok.

There are 12 jobs in FF1 but 4 of them (Master and the Wizards) are just stronger version of their base jobs. So there are a total of 8 jobs in FF1. WAR, MNK, THF, WHM, BLM, RDM, PLD, and NIN. None of these are classes. They are either not in the game or they are jobs. Converting a job to a class is an insult to one of the original jobs in the series.

I would highly suggest calming down, and taking a deep breath. Now then, let's see here... Tell me, every job, of every character in every Final Fantasy game, that is held in such high sacrilege to say that they are ruining, or insulting the job. They have already stated, due to lore reasons in FINAL FANTASY 14, note, 14, not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7, not 8, not 9, not 10, not 11, not 12, not 13, but 14... That they cannot, and will not call the class thief.

And I am rather curious as to how useful the classic thief skills would be anyway. "Oh hey Twin! Let me use steal on you! ... Wait, it doesn't work on bosses? That's a useless skill! Let me try steal gil! ... That doesn't work either? WHAT THE HECK SQUARE!" Not everyone can be pleased, and quite frankly, while I think everyone will hop on the NIN train like the DRG train... The people that complain, are yet again, the vocal minority.

[MartaDemireux]

[Classic THF skills. This is FFXIV not another FF.]

Well to use the same argument. This is FFXIV, a standalone game. They can alter the classic THF abilities any way they see fit. They could steal stats, HP/MP/TP, arbitrary things to use in mechanics (such as morale to give to party members (not PvP morale)), enmity, buffs etc. It could work as a supporting DPS (such as BRD) just as well as it could a tank.

And for those talking about stealing and how we can't do it because we're the heroes, the official Rogue description mentions how they pilfer ill-gotten gains. So that argument is moot.

In addition for those saying that thief leads to ninja and use FFT as an example, don't forget that archer unlocks thief which unlocks ninja and ninja also required levels in geomancer.

[Clicked]

I would highly suggest calming down, and taking a deep breath.

I'm supposed to calm down? Read your own post breh.

What I was implying is that they are paying dust to the original game by making Thief into a class. It's better to exclude it altogether. It's also going to gnaw at everyone's OCD that one of the most iconic jobs is actually a class where as every other FF job is a job. The lore reason is stupid and I'm not sure how anyone buys it for the multitude of reasons already stated in this thread.

And I am rather curious as to how useful the classic thief skills would be anyway. "Oh hey Twin! Let me use steal on you! ... Wait, it doesn't work on bosses? That's a useless skill! Let me try steal gil! ... That doesn't work either? WHAT THE HECK SQUARE!"

And why exactly does everyone think that THF should just have Steal and nothing else? I guess all Warriors just have "Attack"? Summoners just have Summon?

[Exstal]

So following your logic WAR should just be a class and PLD should be it's job? Ok.

The problem doesn't lie with ffxi, but with the final fantasy franchise in itself, thief never ever became ninja, thief OPENED the way to ninja, it's different.

It was a valid refutation. He claimed Thief never became Ninja, and was proven wrong by facts. If he said, "thief became Ninja once and then opened the way in latter games" that would be correct.

[Phyllo]

If he said, "thief became Ninja once and then opened the way in latter games" that would be correct.

Okay my bad, I had forgotten about FF I but it's the only installment in which you are forced to go ninja, for the others it's not handicapping to stay thief since they have different purposes.
Ninja may have once been THF's evolution but that was only once, now they are both are standalone jobs for years.

And eard, hi nothing, your link is dead >_>

Clicked, if they do change their mind it will be a pretty stupid decision considering they already stated that rogue is thief, if they add a thief later they'll just negate this, even tho I'd love to see thief as a job.

They wanted to play it hype and failed, the number of people complaining is enough proof, no matter how petty the arguments can be, fact is lots of people don't like that a JOB got downgraded to a class.

[Kuwagami]

But leaving all of that aside, this is what I want to know. Of all the jobs we could have gotten, of all the jobs we have yet to get, why is it that people are so adamant that we should NOT have Thief as a Job? No one is arguing against Red Mage, Blue Mage, Dark Knight, Samurai or Templar! Consider Geomancer, Time Mage, Berserker or Ranger, all have many champions but few detractors. I have seen pleas and treatments for Dancer, Beastmaster, Puppetmaster, Necromancer, Cannoneer and Chemist, but no one is arguing against any of those as fervently as they do against Thief.

Because thief is already here in the class named rogue. End of story, thanks for coming.

So following your logic WAR should just be a class and PLD should be it's job? Ok.

There are 12 jobs in FF1 but 4 of them (Master and the Wizards) are just stronger version of their base jobs. So there are a total of 8 jobs in FF1. WAR, MNK, THF, WHM, BLM, RDM, PLD, and NIN. None of these are classes. They are either not in the game or they are jobs. Converting a job to a class is an insult to one of the original jobs in the series.

Try again next time, the base for paladin in FF1 was fighter, not warrior.


Seriously guys, how about suggesting anything to make thief works (if ever...) instead of just aimlessly ranting hoping for SE to lose development time to find how to make a stealing job work in a game where you have nothing valuable to loot ?

[ZReport]

Because thief is already here in the class named rogue. End of story, thanks for coming.



Try again next time, the base for paladin in FF1 was fighter, not warrior.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/W...nal_Fantasy%29

Anyways, SE won't lose development time seeing as they've already made their decision concerning Rogue, Thief and Ninja. People here are either trying to remain willfully ignorant or are simply delusional at believing Thief will come any time soon.

[Quintalian]

Try again next time, the base for paladin in FF1 was fighter, not warrior.

Fighter and Warrior are the same job with different names. It seems like that sort of situation applies here too, doesn't it? Thief is already here, but it's named Rogue.

Well, perhaps you're right. We don't know exactly what's included in Rogue's skill set. If there is some kind of stealing skill, then Thief's bread and butter ability, the very heart of the Thief, would be possessed by Rogue and I'd concede that we will likely, 99% certainly never get a Thief job.

However, don't tell me stealing can't work. There have already been numerous examples given in this thread alone. FFXI THF's repertoire has plenty of tricks that could be adapted, not the least of which is Aura Steal. Against foes that have nothing to steal (or when regular Steal fails), it dispels a foe's buff with a chance to apply it to the Thief.

And I can't believe this is going over so many heads, but just because mobs currently have "nothing to steal", that doesn't mean it would be that way if Steal were to be added. If nothing else, Steal could just pull from the usual drop pool (and maybe have a greater chance of HQ) for quicker farming.

[Taruranto]

Didn't consider people would rage about this, but yeah, it makes sense. Thief is a job, Ninja is another. Thaumarge is basically a BLM lite, just like conjurer was a WHM lite, etc. so np there.

Then again, this game is WoW with FFXIV skin, so what did ppl expect?

[Kuwagami]

Fighter and Warrior are the same job with different names. It seems like that sort of situation applies here too, doesn't it? Thief is already here, but it's named Rogue.

I don't really want to break it nor argue names and stuff but the original was named fighter, and who knows why they decided to rename him "warrior" after that besides the group already being the "warriors of light" >_>
anyway.

However, don't tell me stealing can't work. There have already been numerous examples given in this thread alone. FFXI THF's repertoire has plenty of tricks that could be adapted, not the least of which is Aura Steal. Against foes that have nothing to steal (or when regular Steal fails), it dispels a foe's buff with a chance to apply it to the Thief.

And I can't believe this is going over so many heads, but just because mobs currently have "nothing to steal", that doesn't mean it would be that way if Steal were to be added. If nothing else, Steal could just pull from the usual drop pool (and maybe have a greater chance of HQ) for quicker farming.

Stealing HP would serve no purpose other than having a "second wind" doing damage but ok, maybe. But other than that... stealing MP ? for what purpose ? Stealing TP to mobs which don't have any TP ? stealing gils ? so ou won't have them to the mob's death, useless. For the buff, it would also be impossible due to :

=> impossible buffs like haste
=> bosses buffs that you can't gain nor cancel for obvious reasons

stealing trash loot from mobs would also be useless. Who would play thief at high level with only that ? (because let's be honest, if they add a new job it's to see it played at end-game). Make it a harvest job if that's what you want.