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  1. #61
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    Solonuke's Avatar
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    Solo Kahulo
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    it is currently impossible to see the specific percentages without using a third-party tool.
    You can turn on the HP percentage with the last update under character config.
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  2. #62
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    Brine Gildchaff
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    Malboro
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    I'd just like to point out (i96 WHM/PLD here) that there are similar phase push mechanics on Levi EX. Levi -always- summons first Wavetooth at ~80% health even if he's about to dive at the moment (I've even seen the Wavetooth sliding around on the deck because he spawned right before Body Slam, it's kinda funny), conjures first Gyre Spumes at 70%, etc. Wavetooth will automatically break rotation and start prepping Dreadstorm (becoming immune to Stun in the process) if he reaches a certain threshold I've yet to completely figure out (it seems to be 50~60% health?) which is the real nasty problem.
    Speaking as someone who's taken down Levi EX three times as the off-tank? I fail to see the source of the complaint here. Y'know what I did when I realized "oh crap, the Wavetooth has a push mechanic too?!" I adapted. When I realized he'll spawn no matter what Levi's doing a few seconds after we hit 80%? I adapted. I keep a sharp eye on Levi's HP and keep my eyes on both edges of the boat once I see Levi hit 81%. I hold off on going completely balls-out with my attacks when the gyre spumes break until the converter hits 21/100. I watch the Wavetooth's HP and start stunning if I see him get into the 60-65% range. In short? I change my tactics and adapt, and we still have no problem. Hell, I was in a farm group last night with such astounding DPS that we were phase-pushing even -without- the Echo. None of them were complaining about being "punished" even when we had a few minor problems our second run and we took a pair of wipes (one due to the SCH freezing at the absolute worst time possible).No complaining, just simple attention and adaptation and we walked out of that fight with two wins and two shiny new Wave weapons.
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  3. #63
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    Jadus Salaheem
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solonuke View Post
    You can turn on the HP percentage with the last update under character config.
    Well that's nifty thanks for letting me know about that! Still it is funny - the content does have this "aging" problem.

    Example: Ifrit EX in over i90 - so many times people hit the hard enrage on him early because they can push damage so much harder.
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  4. #64
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    Makado Kitase
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    You all keep saying adapt and slow DPS, etc. Then please tell me what the point of having gear is that greatly exceeds the fights? So you can get to the HP% to wait at quicker? So you can wait with your weapons away so you don't enrage and wipe? It doesn't matter if your overgearing, the fights should not be gating you from downing bosses faster. It doesn't matter if its a script, and obviously we have adapted since we clear everything every week. They should allow for the groups who can kill or push extremely fast to do so. We worked for the gear, but are then told "haha just slow or stop with that, because its to fast."
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  5. #65
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    Eros Maxima
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makado View Post
    You all keep saying adapt and slow DPS, etc. Then please tell me what the point of having gear is that greatly exceeds the fights? So you can get to the HP% to wait at quicker? So you can wait with your weapons away so you don't enrage and wipe? It doesn't matter if your overgearing, the fights should not be gating you from downing bosses faster. It doesn't matter if its a script, and obviously we have adapted since we clear everything every week. They should allow for the groups who can kill or push extremely fast to do so. We worked for the gear, but are then told "haha just slow or stop with that, because its to fast."
    It's a perspective thing. Your chance of wiping is drastically lower when you outgear something, and it's not just because you would otherwise be able to kill it faster. Your chances of wiping to things thanks to higher stats is significantly lowered (partly due to better heals and tanking potential), as the danger presented is much less of a "danger" in most cases. While there can be reasons for people to go back to lower tier content, it still means you're doing otherwise trivial content because you won't wipe (probably) when you adapt to the wait portions. It's the way the fights were designed for the intended audience. You overgearing them automatically makes you NOT the intended audience.

    Does that mean it's perfect as is? Of course not, but you're not exactly prevented from doing them. Is it a big deal? Only if you think your e-peen needs attention so that you can faceroll harder.
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  6. #66
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    Malboro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makado View Post
    Then please tell me what the point of having gear is that greatly exceeds the fights? So you can get to the HP% to wait at quicker? So you can wait with your weapons away so you don't enrage and wipe?
    Go look at my post and tell me where at all I said putting your weapon away was necessary. At most there's one or two brief windows where you need to slow (NOT stop) on a few of the highest-tier fights. (Prime example being the end of phase 2 Twintania; you want to stop going balls-out with all your strongest abilities at around 55% and watch so you don't trigger divebombs while a conflag is active.) I said to ADAPT. To use different strategies. Not to put away your weapons and twiddle your thumbs. Even when I said I slow my attacks sometimes on Levi so he doesn't try to do Tidal Wave too soon after we break the spumes, that means I don't pop Fight or Flight and I don't throw around Spirits Within or Circle of Scorn. Look at my post; I don't say "put your weapon away and wait until X happens to resume DPS". I say "okay, your tank needs to be aware and throw out stuns earlier than usual to make sure Dread doesn't happen." I say "the offtank and DPS need to keep their eyes open so they can intercept Wavetooth if it comes early". Several of the other posts here do very similar things (not creating a super-slug, keeping the first Renaud alive, etc.) If you're going to complain and restate your initial faulty claim over and over again without reading people then I see no point in indulging you further. Read what we're saying and actually comprehend it, or buzz off.
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  7. #67
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    Makado Kitase
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    Excalibur
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    I'd argue it adds more boredom and tedious crap to fights you should just be allowed to face roll (provided you put in the work to gear yourself) and increases chances for wipe since you can't just finish it and have to jump through forced hoops. Also they made content rewards specifically from the extreme primals (the prime suspects for this gating bull) for people to get. So it isn't exactly trivial since its one of the few unique rewards to obtain in the game.
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  8. #68
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    Nyne Helios
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    Does that mean it's perfect as is? Of course not, but you're not exactly prevented from doing them. Is it a big deal? Only if you think your e-peen needs attention so that you can faceroll harder.
    No, but my wife and the rest of my real life needs attention. So yea, after weeks and weeks of doing coil successfully, I kind of want to faceroll a little bit. So I can hang out with them and not say "sorry babe, still progression. I hope you understand"
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  9. #69
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    Sorry, I'm talking from my experiences where we have to put away our weapons because its actually what we have to do. That is what we are forced into. It doesn't matter that your group sometimes pushed something a little extra. I'm talking where we have pushed so quickly just doing what our jobs are designed to do that unless we do so then we lose. Possibly the comprehension needs to go the opposite way.
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  10. #70
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyneAlexander View Post
    No, but my wife and the rest of my real life needs attention. So yea, after weeks and weeks of doing coil successfully, I kind of want to faceroll a little bit. So I can hang out with them and not say "sorry babe, still progression. I hope you understand"
    A million times this. Amazing response.
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