Omega, possibly confirmed? (Spoilers?)

[Magis]

Except nowhere in the game has any Dravanian ever indicated worship of Bahamut. He has been trapped in a prison in outer space for thousands of years. That means the Dravanians (if they ever did worship him) could never have summoned him in millenia. For all intents and purposes their god was lost to them. Despite that someone or something else has been tempering Ishgardians to the Dravanian Horde whilst Bahamut was sealed away, either in Dalamud or now deep beneath the ground... tempering has thus far only been done by primals and if Bahamut can't be doing it then that proves the Dravanians have an entirely different 'god'.

(And before anyone brings up Shiva, it was made pretty clear that her band of heretics are not related to the Dravanian Horde.)

Small chance, but could it have been a normal cult like the Lambs of Dalamud?

[StarDrake]

Also, as far as the Dravanians go... we honestly have so little information about them that it's hard to say anything either way. They apparently do worship "a primal", but all we know is that it exists. We haven't been given any information about it either way.

In fact, we basically have questions rather than answers when it comes to the Horde. Unlike all the other beastmen (who, at this point, have had their societies/worship practices/etc fleshed out extensively by their respective questlines), all we know about the Horde is that they are relentlessly hostile toward Ishgard, are dedicated to its destruction, seem to be willing to recruit subversives from within Ishgard, and as of Stone Vigil hard, evidently have a method of turning Spoken into aevis-dragons(!). Otherwise, we know nothing of their culture or religious practices, because they do not seem remotely interested in discourse.

Bahamut may have a place in their religion, he may not. It's impossible to say at this point because we know so little of the Horde.

[Phyllo]

Bahamut looks like a Dragon. He's a primal. Primal get summoned by believers. So he had believers. So he is/was a god. => He's a dragon god.
Even if not worshipped by dragons.

That said, 2 NPC in Coerthas in 1.0 said dragons seemed to be worshipping a primal. The most likely candidate would be Bahamut, don't you think?
The beastmen started summoning primals some 15 years ago, it doesn't mean they weren't worshipping them before summoning them.

the revering part is only for normal primals, elder primals don't need any worshipers to summon themeselves, proof is Odin.

and the dravanians started to wreck some way before nael had his plan to make dalamud come down, which means that they had no idea that bahamut would come back, thus, bahamut isn't their primal.

[Magis]

the revering part is only for normal primals, elder primals don't need any worshipers to summon themeselves, proof is Odin.

and the dravanians started to wreck some way before nael had his plan to make dalamud come down, which means that they had no idea that bahamut would come back, thus, bahamut isn't their primal.

However wasn't it made a point that the Allag manufactured "prayer" for Bahamut, and since he is an elder primal.... shows that they DO require prayer? Maybe something else is keeping Odin active?

[Alenore]

the revering part is only for normal primals, elder primals don't need any worshipers to summon themeselves, proof is Odin.

and the dravanians started to wreck some way before nael had his plan to make dalamud come down, which means that they had no idea that bahamut would come back, thus, bahamut isn't their primal.

1) There's no proof. Just a lack of knowledge. Belias is an Elder Primal, did you see him around recently? Befre you say "maybe he's sealed like Odin was", I'll tell you "maybe something summons Odin". We can go far with "maybe"s.
2) From your reasoning, the Ixali don't worship Garuda because they were at war with Gridania long before the seal was broken. Do you see the problem?

Edit => Elder Primal, right now, seems to be the category of "Aetherial beings who come from distant eras". We don't know what an Elder Primal is, heck we don't even know what a Primal is exactly.
Right now, the fact that Bahamut is a dragon makes him the most likely candidate to be the Dragons primal/god.

[Phyllo]

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It is stated in game that they have no idea why Odin is able to summon HIMSELF, proof that he doesn't need worshipers, while it is true that his wrath and sorrow might be you're typical reason as why he is able to do so, I like to think he just can summon himself without any cliched motive, i might be wrong but nothing proved otherwise so i'll stick with that belief.

the difference is that Garuda's existence was known before the seal was broken, but Bahamut had been long forgotten (can't recall where i got this but i'm pretty sure i red somewhere that it is only after reading some really old archives that they discovered bahamut's identity.)
If the dravanian had kept worshiping a god that is probably lost for good, people would know, just like they know about the ixals for garuda.

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I don't really get why they'd need to lock bahamut away if they had to summon him, because it means that he wasn't here, so there would be no need to seal him.
maybe the prayer was to lure him in, not summon him

(All of these are theories, not 100% sure statements, just my interpretations, i might be completely wrong)

[Alenore]

It is stated in game that they have no idea why Odin is able to summon HIMSELF, proof that he doesn't need worshipers, while it is true that his wrath and sorrow might be you're typical reason as why he is able to do so, I like to think he just can summon himself without any cliched motive, i might be wrong but nothing proved otherwise so i'll stick with that belief.

If they have strictly no idea why he's here, they also have no idea if someone summons him or not. It seems not, it may be, we don't know. No point stating things as fact when no one knows for sure.

the difference is that Garuda's existence was known before the seal was broken, but Bahamut had been long forgotten (can't recall where i got this but i'm pretty sure i red somewhere that it is only after reading some really old archives that they discovered bahamut's identity.)

If the dravanian had kept worshiping a god that is probably lost for good, people would know, just like they know about the ixals for garuda.

Because you think it's totally unbelievable we don't know everything the enemy knows? They started noticing they were worshipping a primal only 5 years ago. They have no idea which one. If they have no idea which one, it could be the mighty Burrito Knight just like it could be Bahamut. But now, the Burrito knight has nothing to do with dragons while Bahamut has something... wait what can it be... Oh yeah, it's a dragon.

I don't really get why they'd need to lock bahamut away if they had to summon him, because it means that he wasn't here, so there would be no need to seal him.
maybe the prayer was to lure him in, not summon him

Because maybe the reason Bahamut is in Dalamud isn't to be kept away from Eorzea (why would they need to go through such a complicate process when they could trap it within Omega, anyway?), but because he served a purpose within Dalamud, to convert/gather aether and send it to Crystal Tower? Remember Dalamud was sent to the sky to allow Xande to harness enough energy to control the Darkness.

(All of these are theories, not 100% sure statements, just my interpretations, i might be completely wrong)

Exactly, everything about primals is theory, and when you're on about elder primals, it refers to eras long forgotten for the most part, so there's almost nothing we know. The "it's not like that" or "It's impossible" has no place in such a discussion :P

[Xmbei]

I still think the dragons are good and all Ishgardians are tempered at birth without knowing. The dragons know how to untemper people. These imo freed Ishgardians see the wrongs done by the Duchy and seek to remove the cotton and wool from ears and eyes. Due to ascian meddling. I think the dragons are more at war with the ascians than ishgard. I think Zodiarks home and Ascians home was under where current Ishgard is. Dragons protected the seal in Mor Dhona and probably kept an eye on Zodiark and Ascians before the Ishgardians came. The Ishgardians misunderstood the dragons, imo defensive measures, and led to the war. The ascians just are fueling the hatred for personal gain. And since Halone supposedly led the Ishgardians to that location, Halone might of been an Ascian leading them there.

Edit: i think some entity(ies) in one of the eras sealed away the primals and banished maybe heretical Zodiark worshiping Ascians into exile with Zodiark under Ishgard than tasked the dragons to be watchful protectors over both spots. After the death of mid and breaking of the seal the Ascians have gained the upper hand. Its not fully fleshed out... But thats because so many unknowns about the 12, ascians, dragons and the seal and Zodiark and Hydaelyn. But remember in early FF's Dragons were good guys and world protectors, hunted to near extinction of those that wanted world domination. So hoping dragons do become something more!

Edit 2: also possibly the good 12 gods and Hydaelyn are in Sharlyan(sp?) which is near Dravania, since the Archons the embodiment of the 12 come from there. Also they have kept out of Ishgard/Dravanian matters. While the Ascians are like the dark 12 counsel. So who knows lol, excited for more info!

[Danbo05]

This has turned into quite the interesting discussion. Just adding on, Yoshida has confirmed that there will be more lore to Odin in future patches, and more will be added to his character.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...apan-Expo-2014

This is really related to the mysteries and the secrets of Odin. This actually shows that the last player to attack Odin was a Lalafell.
The setting that, why the last person to hit him gives his appearance to Odin is related to the storyline about Odin so it will continue to develop. This is not the end, we will have a Odin story focused at some time.

So it'll be something interesting to look forward to as well, nonetheless. Sleipner mount pls.

[Phyllo]

If they have strictly no idea why he's here, they also have no idea if someone summons him or not. It seems not, it may be, we don't know. No point stating things as fact when no one knows for sure.

while I understand what you mean, I also have doubts about odin having worshippers, just who in the world could possibly gather enough crystals without being noticed like the beasts tribes are?

Because you think it's totally unbelievable we don't know everything the enemy knows? They started noticing they were worshipping a primal only 5 years ago. They have no idea which one. If they have no idea which one, it could be the mighty Burrito Knight just like it could be Bahamut. But now, the Burrito knight has nothing to do with dragons while Bahamut has something... wait what can it be... Oh yeah, it's a dragon.

wait a sec.... you mean that he's not a chicken? damn, i thought he was...
on a serious note, primal worshiping actually started long before bewbiefillia's path send you to iffy.

Because maybe the reason Bahamut is in Dalamud isn't to be kept away from Eorzea (why would they need to go through such a complicate process when they could trap it within Omega, anyway?), but because he served a purpose within Dalamud, to convert/gather aether and send it to Crystal Tower? Remember Dalamud was sent to the sky to allow Xande to harness enough energy to control the Darkness.

true.

Exactly, everything about primals is theory, and when you're on about elder primals, it refers to eras long forgotten for the most part, so there's almost nothing we know. The "it's not like that" or "It's impossible" has no place in such a discussion :P

Are you sure? It is common knowledge after all, that a roe in underpants with a lala will always be mistaken as a child abductor, no matter how pure his intentions are u_u