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    Giving good gear outside of coil might be what enables more people to do coil. It's the people who are lagging behind due to difficulty that actually need gear more than the frontrunners. People will naturally try all content that is available to them, so you will see more people in coil when they unlock it. If coil participation is declining right now it would be because the people who have been farming it for months are done with it now, while people who haven't got there yet are not seeing difficulty eased enough to make it happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufalus View Post
    Giving good gear outside of coil might be what enables more people to do coil. It's the people who are lagging behind due to difficulty that actually need gear more than the frontrunners. People will naturally try all content that is available to them, so you will see more people in coil when they unlock it. If coil participation is declining right now it would be because the people who have been farming it for months are done with it now, while people who haven't got there yet are not seeing difficulty eased enough to make it happen.
    The main issue with your comment, is most of the difficulty is mechanics, not gear checks. Basically meaning, if you're already considered overgeared for the fight, more won't help you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufalus View Post
    Giving good gear outside of coil might be what enables more people to do coil. It's the people who are lagging behind due to difficulty that actually need gear more than the frontrunners. People will naturally try all content that is available to them, so you will see more people in coil when they unlock it. If coil participation is declining right now it would be because the people who have been farming it for months are done with it now, while people who haven't got there yet are not seeing difficulty eased enough to make it happen.
    I honestly doubt that letting full tome people turn into i110s would suddenly make them clear T5 without problems. If yoshi wants more people doing coil2, he might as well just nerf twintania really really hard (twisters only doing 1000 dmg, arena wall only does 1000 damage wall and push you back in,etc) or just give people a free pass and unleash them into coil2 pugs immediately.

    But he's not. He's capping the echo at 20%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardes View Post
    But he's not. He's capping the echo at 20%.
    Capping echo at 20% does not exclude a mechanics nerf.
    In fact, in recent interviews he's been open to nerfing Twintania.
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    Blanitar Abarhyrsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekodar View Post
    Capping echo at 20% does not exclude a mechanics nerf.
    In fact, in recent interviews he's been open to nerfing Twintania.
    20% plus outgearing the fight by 20-30 ilvls isn't enough? The two mechanics that most often kill people are divebombs and twisters. In both cases its not a matter of having instantaneous reflexes but more about paying attention. People who haven't cleared T5 imo are either not trying hard enough or just lazy. Alot of players expect that they should be getting the win after a few tries. I know many statics that struggled on T5 for 2-3 months 2 hours a night ever night before they finally got their clear. Now that the echo is in place and all the extra gear it has trivialized most of the mechanics of that fight. It's easy enough now that if your work at it hard enough you will get your clear. They don't need to nerf the mechanics any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exstal View Post
    They are going to massively nerf all those turns though, so you don't get to watch them fail. SCoB:T4 might be easier than Twin though (post nerf).
    I haven't heard of them nerfing any of the game's mechanics since twisters after the first kill. If they were nerfing, then I would assume they would have already nerfed the first binding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hyperhelios View Post
    I haven't heard of them nerfing any of the game's mechanics since twisters after the first kill. If they were nerfing, then I would assume they would have already nerfed the first binding.
    I guess you haven't been to AK at all since then, or read any patch notes, as the gnats were removed from Demon Wall. That's just one example of a mechanics nerf that happened to the GAME since that twisters nerf. Another example would be the nerf that happened to Pharos Sirius...
    You also probably don't pay attention to various interviews, as it's been noted that a nerf is likely for Twintania.

    If we're talking strictly coil nerfs, ADS High Voltage can now be Esuna/Leeches removed and it's not as potent as before, as one example...
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    Last edited by Nekodar; 07-17-2014 at 10:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyperhelios View Post
    I haven't heard of them nerfing any of the game's mechanics since twisters after the first kill. If they were nerfing, then I would assume they would have already nerfed the first binding.
    I mean they'll nerf Second Coil and it'll probably be easier than current Twin
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