BLM and SMN BUFFs info is coming out!! PATCH 2.3 Preliminary

[ViviAnimus]

@Urielparadox

Where are you getting your numbers from? BLM does a lot more than a bard playing songs and most certainly more if they are standing still. If you're doing less than a bard playing any song, you should really read up on your class. I've seen BLMs pull 420+ on T6, 330+ on T7, 430+ on T8, 310+ on T9.

My problem with the BLM class is that its DPS is too dependend on Bard. People who get 420+ on T6 have requiem up all the time, probably with a battlevoice in a 4 minute battle. It tells you little about their skill. I would much rather be dependend on myself than on another class. Because of BLM's damage being dependend on Bard's Requiem, a discrepancy exists in the DPS between BLM. One that is not due to the BLM itself but external factors. Actually, if one would change the requiem skill in a way that it would up the Bard's damage, you would see a drastic change

[Shinlolz]

Anoyone tell me the point behind the SMN changes? Is this seriously their attempt to make Ifrit of comparable use to Garuda?

Is this a joke? O.o

I don't think it will ever be comparable to Garuda-egi unless they change Ifrit-egi's burning strike to fire damage. Garuda-egi's main attack actually benefits from Foe's Requiem while Ifrit-egi's does not.

[Jamez82]

Yeah I don't know what they're thinking. I was really looking forward to being able to throw out Ifrit, too.

Big disappointment.

[Maero]

Just absurd. The easiest class to play and now probably the one dealing most dps with requiem except, in some fights, monk. 108 mnk here with blm, brd and smn 108 aswell in my static, so i know what im talking about

Fire I 150 -> 170. With Astral Fire 270 -> 306
Fire III 220 -> 240. With Astral Fire 396 -> 432

Get ur shit together SE and give melee some love.

umm why? Mellee is not hindered by movement like blm's are
Any movement = spell cancellation
Like others have said blm may be easy to play but you must know what you are actually doing to fully optimize
Monks are suppose to have higher single target damage, if not then they do not know rotations
dragoons on the other hand even with randoms i have out dps'ed

[Truedragon]

Blm is one of the easiest jobs to play with and absolutely not hard to master at all. They are almost completely immune to all fight mechanism. Need levi x? Just get some range dps. No reason to bring melee at all. This was also true for coil 1-5 for the good first half year of the year.

This only changed with the introduction of second coil. But alot of groups still run with multi casters in the group. They should not have changed fire 3 potency aswell. Simply upping fire 1 is good enough imo.
Yea so blm spells gets interrupted occasionally. So what. Its part of the job and part of the way you play blm. Is there even a point here. Drg jump is risky. Mnk cant attack if he stands at mid range. Brd songs can get interrupted. Oh noes SMN's can clip their dots!!! Spell interruption are part of the Blm job. You expect a job with only positive buffs but no negative penalties? You expect everything to be handed to you on a silver platter? Whats the point here. Position yourself properly to minimize your casts being interrupted.

The one thing that people seem to forget is the reason why Mnks and Smns have such high dps on single target is because thats the way the jobs are supposed to be. They deal high dps on single target and in return have a harder time on multiple enemies, especially for Mnk. Whereas Blm shit and laugh at AoE, and supposedly they are less "efficient" on single target. On Brayflox even doing AoE, I can barely clear the first 2 bosses within 15-18 min with Mnk. I run it as Blm and clear that shit in 6 min. A better geared Blm can run it in less than 5 min.

With these changes however, SE has delved dangerously into the grey area. I mean if Blms can absolutely wreck single target and still be the king of AoE, then why should anyone play DRG or MNK, or even the slower SMN. Just play BLM and wreck everything? FF11 all over again? Have a group of 4 BLM nuke Kirin and invite the thief in the last minute for Treasure hunter 2 ability?

Yes I get insane dps on T8 as MNK. Yes, I dont do a heck of lot of mechanism on T8. Do you want to know why? Because it is not efficient to have someone that can only attack at melee range to take up the job of pushing towers all the time or guiding a missile away from the group. Range dps have no range penalty and thats why they should be the ones doing it. If you do not understand this simple concept, you do not know how to play this game.

[KitanaiKoneko]

They were good alright, but mnk and drg definitely need QoL changes seeing how are current boss mechanics.
Anyways, people tend to forget why all of a "sudden" rise of BLM to the top of the dps charts happens, let me remind you: no other class have a perma 80% dmg boost on their abilities, not even mnk with GLIII+FoF+BfB+DK. What this means? the more gear blm gets, the more profit he gets than rest of the classes. It's a fact.

Same happened at the start of the game with mnk when everyone were saying they were shit. Until they were geared. As blms, they scale better than other classes with gear.

Its also a fact that every other class has some form of autoattack (counting smn pets here for this) that is useful, and no other class has an Umbral Ice-style phase of their rotation.

[Urielparadox]

I'm not complaining about our dmg increase, it was needed. hurting our mobility is always hurting our damage. however I even stated that it will be few fights that this matter, since blms have to learn so much about the fight anyway to maximize their dps this isn't to difficult. It just doesn't make since I would like some reasoning. However the damage boost is needed no matter what, we still need something that fixes our movement issues, loosing a cast is a huge punishment that our damage output pre-update was just to small too ever compensate for. Once you learn a fight well enough you know how and when to cast what, however their are still random factors that can not always be accounted for. Now we might be able to compensate for it but we won't know till the patch.

I'm not in t8 yet, I'm getting my numbers from the multiple of threads and the arguing and the different proof they post while prepairing myself for t8, and it's the i100 number compare to i100; not comparing i110 blm to i100 smn... the numbers regular numbers given for a blm lowest was 300, however it was sstated that 300 is still low and a blm should be doing 330. An equally geared smn was supposed to be doing the same as a monk at i100 which was 420. I have been trying to stay on top of t8 threads and watch for the real info so when we enter in next week I know where I am at. If I have been mislead, which i'm glad to have correct info if it is, why are you bringing it up in this thread and not all the other threads though? My dps is higher then avg on t6 and i'm still working on maximizing it during t7, just need our group to watch voice. i'm excited to enter t8 to see where I stand.

[Shikiseki]

The SMN changes were a huge facepalm worthy change again. It just proves they have no idea what to do with the class.
Garuda was supposed to be the caster egi, why the hell should her spells be instant??? It literally makes no sense!
As for Ifrit, his stun is situational and unreliable, Titan's stun is more than enough stun for SMN's. And it also doesn't change the fact that his AoE is pitifully small.
As for Biora... that's clearly a troll change >_>

The BLM buffs are alright, Apocatastasis was useless, now it can actually do something, minor, but still something. The Manawall nerf was completely unnecessary like the Scathe nerf.

[LetBloodline]

@Urielparadox

Where are you getting your numbers from? BLM does a lot more than a bard playing songs and most certainly more if they are standing still. If you're doing less than a bard playing any song, you should really read up on your class. I've seen BLMs pull 420+ on T6, 330+ on T7, 430+ on T8, 310+ on T9. A lot of people keep comparing it to Monks but those high DPS monks are being enabled to do so, without the enabling of letting them ignore certain mechanics and getting TP song because they are burning through it, there's no way they can maintain it.

For the people who think that 20 potency isn't a lot...smh.

With what weapon? I think i need advice from him

[65shion]

To everyone saying BLM is the hardest to master. Let me laugh.
Im sure you have 251 piety and time mana ticks accordingly to make UI to AF with Fire III manaless and be full mp. Yes, im sure, because out of 100 BLM, maybe 1 does it but who knows, maybe you guys are the exception Also, we are talking endgame here, 90 doesn't matter one bit.