Frontlines and Wolf`s Den - A flawed desing doomed to fail.

[Kimikryo]

What does the Gridanian one say in the banner over the "the order of the Twin Adder"? *something*y GRIDANIA *something*ity

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

What else will be reset when changing GC?
Your GC rank.
You need to do the hunting log again, every mission for rank ups, and again being down to very short amount of GC seals.
And this takes LONGER than grinding PVP to 40, and you NEED either to pester other people to do the dungeons with you or enlighten DF with your need for that dungeon.


So why not complain about that too?
How about stopping raisin picking and only quote partly, ripping everything out of context?
Opinions still are not facts.

How the content is presented?
It is presented as LOOK AT THIS IT WILL BE A BATTLE GROUND OF GC1 VS GC2 VS GC3 and barely information given apart from PVP rank will be reset when changing GC.


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Nagging - derogative/offensive? Nagging is when someone repeats the same negative thing over and over even if it has been refuted several times. only to repeat again negatively.
So what is it that you are doing, ESPECIALLY calling others trolls and white knights?

Ad Hominem?
You know what calling others Trolls/white knights for not sharing your opinion is?


your knowledge of frontlines is as limited as every other players, don't act like you know any better.

Having to level up again in another GC through the ranks is a minor mistep, easily done in a few days. You telling that takes longer than leveling the PvP rank to 40 just shows how little you know about the PvP as it is now and then explains why you fail to understand my points (add up to that your only motivation to troll and white knight). Anyone with 2 minutes in PvP will read that and just laught.

I called you troll, which you are of course, just after refusing your argument without a single falacy on my part, was your argument which was in the first place badly written and presented, after that was settle, im not longer debating with you, and i dont care about your points from that point onward, because your only intention is to annoy, troll and make this thread look bad, why? like i would know what goes through a troll`s mind.

The sole porpuse of this thread is to rise awarness that the way in which Frontlines are going to be implemented is going to punish a lot of dedicated PvP players by forcing them to abandon hundred of hours of gameplay and dedication in order to play with their friends.


If you, or anyone, has a good argument that demostrates why that is a good and justified thing to happen, please do present said argument. But since that hasn`t happend and all i read is "You don`t know how Frontlines are gonna be" (which misses the point by lightyears since the problem is not in the Frontlines, which shows you and all the other ones saying similar things have not read a word) then i have not much choice here, but to keep working on the properly formulated arguments and responses and deal with trolls like yourself.

But ill give you another chance.

What is your argument in favor of any pvp player having to lose +100 hours of gameplay?

AND PLEASE: Keep the thread ontopic or i will have to ask moderation to report in. This might not be important to you guys, but for a lot of players it is since is their game time which is being overlooked and send to waste. Thank you very much.

[Felis]

Maelstrom: PvP Rank lv.4
Twin Adder: PvP Rank lv.40
Immortal Flames: PvP Rank lv.10

This don't sound like a reset. Only that you can't transfer your PvP rank from one GC to another, but that they are still saved by the GC you earned them. Like with seals and your GC rank.

What else will be reset when changing GC?
Your GC rank.
You need to do the hunting log again, every mission for rank ups, and again being down to very short amount of GC seals.
And this takes LONGER than grinding PVP to 40, and you NEED either to pester other people to do the dungeons with you or enlighten DF with your need for that dungeon.

Hunting Log don't get reseted. You get a new one if you don't have already one from your new GC. But you keep your old ones, even if you can't work on them until you switch back to these GC.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

This don't sound like a reset. Only that you can't transfer your PvP rank from one GC to another, but that they are still saved by the GC you earned them. Like with seals and your GC rank.

The second quote is not mine.

This one, yes, it isnt a reset. You just can`t use your gear which you earned after at least 100 hours of PvP because you will have a new PvP rank and you won`t be able to use till you change back to your high level GC, but doing that, you wont be able to play with your friends in Frontlines since you have changed. So, what is happening is that any PvP player will have to do the next.

Play one month Frontlines with their friends as their PvP rank goes up.
Play the other month Wolf`s Den using his PvP gear but not being able to queue with Friends to the Frontlines.

The PvP rank makes content exclude each other, forcing players into having to chose between playing with friends or solo just because they played in the Wolf`s Den. This is literally punishing players for progressing and wanting to play with other people. GC change restrictions and the whole PvP rank system is what messes this up.

[Kimikryo]

Here he goes again, insulting and insulting and insulting.

Know what? Go kiss a morbol.

And since whe is PVP gear bound to PVP Rank? or a GC?

[Sapphic]

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Fact: PvP gear wont mean anything in Frontlines as all gear is synced.

Not Fact: Do you know if it youre affiliation for frontlines will be personal or FC based? Newp!

Fact: Wait until it's released before jumping to conclusions of how "it's fail"

Fact: you keep dodging me calling you out on "will change reset back to 30 days" Evidence, supporting interview comments, anything that states that or is it just your imagination to try and give your opinion more drama?

[Alukah]

Alexander_Dragonfang, the content is already planned and ready for shipment, they will not make any changes now and developers hardly ever take feedback before the players experience content, this thread is pointless.

Note that I do agree with your point, fully, but devs won't agree until content is here and 100% sure about that.

Devs value metrics a lot higher than player opinion, they operate under "players don't know what they want" (and they are right about that), that's why when you don't like a content you shouldn't stop at just voicing your opinion, you should avoid doing it as well, their metrics will tell them when/if there's something wrong.

[Bizniztyme]

These armchair developers knows best guys and gals. You better listen and oblige to all their opinions or else!!!!!

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

Here he goes again, insulting and insulting and insulting.

Know what? Go kiss a morbol.And since whe is PVP gear bound to PVP Rank? or a GC?

Since you haven`t presented arguments and you are here just cause annoyance, consider yourself ignored from this point onward.
And just to show how little you know about whats being discussed here: http://xivdb.com/?item/7438/Snakestongue-Spear

Please, this time, DO TRY TO READ. Reading is not bad, is good for you, give it a chance.

1.- Fact: PvP gear wont mean anything in Frontlines as all gear is synced.

2.- Not Fact: Do you know if it youre affiliation for frontlines will be personal or FC based? Newp!

3.- Fact: Wait until it's released before jumping to conclusions of how "it's fail"

4.- Fact: you keep dodging me calling you out on "will change reset back to 30 days" Evidence, supporting interview comments, anything that states that or is it just your imagination to try and give your opinion more drama?

1.- Im not talking about PvP gear not being able to be used on Frontlines.

2.- For players to queue together, that means, in party, they have to be in the same GRAND COMPANY.

3.- Frontlines is PvP content. PvP players are the most interested in playing PvP for the long therm. Frontlines punish PvP players for playing together. PvP players start to find Fronlines unappealing because of said unfair and unjustified punishment. PvP players do not play Frontlines. Frontlines don`t have dedicated players = ????????????????????????????????????????????????? "Do the math". And i would love to be wrong, belive me, what a nice thing would be that Frontlines succeed even if PvP players are this punished by its silly limitations. But as it happend with the Wolf`s Den, chances are, Frontlines will live maybe a month or two before falling into oblivion just like happend to Wolf`s Den.

4.- As i said to you before. Even 15 days is way too long. And as i said before, this wouldnt even be a topic if PvP rank was universal or it considered only your highest rank to equip the gear no matter which GC you are in.

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You make this discussion look as i want Frontlines to be a failure. Let me tell you, no, i want it to be great and to succeed, thing that i can hardly see happening when is PvP content punishing PvP dedicated players.

[Nadrojj]

lolpvp - it'll be cool for a month, then they hype will die and there will be a shell of a community "pvp'ing" to get the gear they want.

Sorry I should have said win trading instead of "pvp'ing".