Frontlines and Wolf`s Den - A flawed desing doomed to fail.

[Kimikryo]

You know what WOULD have helped validate Ops "opinion"?
Not calling everyone that doesn't share it "white knighting" or incapable of understanding him.


Not acting like a spoiled brat seems hard nowadays for some forum users.

Does it suck that SE thinks its brilliant to tie Wolf Den PVP Rank to GC Company and not giving Frontline its own Rank (with the information given now)? Yes. Wolf's Den doesn't have to do anything with our GC.
Did we know that joining a GC will have something to do with PVP in the future? Yes.
Where there limitations of what players of different GCs can do together with each other earlier? Yes.

Discussing like that in RL would ether bring you a physical slap in the face, or people unwilling to listen to anything you say.

Than again, we only know limited of what really will be. so lets cry "The sky is falling" when there again some red planned is descending.

Opinions, aren't facts. And from your last points. Only 2 things are given information the rest is you jumping to (VERY) awkward conclusions and opinions.

I am of the Opinion the Sultanate should have a mustache. Because its a fact she would look better with it. It is also a fact that Raubahn would look good in a pink flimsy dress and a cone hat. /sarcasm

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

You know what WOULD have helped validate Ops "opinion"?
Not calling everyone that doesn't share it "white knighting" or incapable of understanding him.

Because players losing +100 hours of progress is completely logic and acceptable. Forcing players to choise one kind of content over other via timed lockouts, be it 15 or 30 days, is completely normal.


September past year, me another bunch of players "jumped" to conclussions about the upcoming Wolf`s den. We did it when the ilvl 100 gear was presented and their wolf mark prices were shown. We jumped to conclusions like: "PvP is going to be dead", "match fixing will be the only way arround the grind" and lot more things. Now im alone now. But having this kind of restrictions will, at the end of the day, only hurt the Fronlines and disencourage players from it.

Anyone telling here that is ok for a player to lose their progress in order to play with their friends is simply, not understanding reasons and that might be because 2 causes: really don`t understanding, because they don`t know how GC works or how long the PvP grind is, or how PvP works, etc. OR they are just white knighting/trolling.

I do insist, if something like this were to happen in a future update of PvE content. The threads would be thousand, you all would be calling the very same reasons for that not to happen. But since you really don`t seem to care about PvP nor Frontlines, this is just a chance for you to either try to act cool, earn maybe a like or two and sound edgy. This thread is not made for you, sorry, but im here for the PvP players that actually cares about PvP, for the players that actually care about playing with their friends without being punished by doing so and for those who wants the Frontlines to become a real thing and not face the same fate Wolf`s Den has faced just because of poorly thought design decisions.

Now, i should ask you, after all my arguments being presented. What are your arguments for Frontlines to be implemented just as they are now? Which is, from your point of view, a good reason for a player to lose 300 hours of content progress?


Is really easy to call others "close minded", to mock their arguments and trying to turn them into mere opinions, is even easier when you have no standing and you haven`t presented a single argument against mine. My main argument is that, bolded for you. which is your argument.

[Kimikryo]

Did you even try, to read what I was saying, or just quoting out of context so you can continue your tantrum the way you want?

Do I care about why you did what? No.
Did I say it is ok to lose x amount of hours? No, neither did I imply it.
Did you read/understand what I wrote? No.


My argument is:
LET THE CONTENT HIT THE SERVERS BEFORE YOU NAG

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

Did I say it is ok to lose x amount of hours? No, neither did I imply it.

My argument is:
LET THE CONTENT HIT THE SERVERS BEFORE YOU NAG

If you want content as it is presented now to hit the servers, you are also in favor of players losing their game time because thats what the system implemented as it is right now is going to cause. Your argument lacks logic, then validity, and has been completely refuted.

And nag is a derrogative term, offensive if no the less, which has no place in a discussion or a debate. It is an Ad Hominem in fact, which completely negates anything you have to say from this point on.

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Another white knight/troll smashed by logic. Next.

[Rex]

Design*

Yes.

Another topic about PvP and the upcoming Frontlines.

TL;DR

Since you know how bad Frontlines will be, can you tell us about the content coming in Hullbreaker Isle as well? I'll be waiting.

Oh, and don't cheat. I want the info from you before July 8th.

[Tridus1x]

Design*

TL;DR

Since you know how bad Frontlines will be, can you tell us about the content coming in Hullbreaker Isle as well? I'll be waiting.

Oh, and don't cheat. I want the info from you before July 8th.

Let's not talk about any future patches until it's actually in the game.

Want new jobs in the game? Sorry don't talk about it, not in game.

Want to know what new primal you'll fight? Not in game, don't talk about it.

New Coil? I never heard of it, because it's not in game. Not allowed to talk about it.

/eyeroll

[Tridus1x]

that would be easily bypassed by rolling into the same grand company together, not a big deal. No serious end gamer will be deterred by this small change.

So let's wipe out gear progression for coil every 7 days. No serious end gamer will be deterred by this small change.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

Since you know how bad Frontlines will be, can you tell us about the content coming in Hullbreaker Isle as well? I'll be waiting.

Oh, and don't cheat. I want the info from you before July 8th.

If you could give yourself just 2 minutes to read, you will understand that the problem is already in game. Frontlines will just be victims of said problems. But hey, maybe reading is not for everyone.

[Kimikryo]

What else will be reset when changing GC?
Your GC rank.
You need to do the hunting log again, every mission for rank ups, and again being down to very short amount of GC seals.
And this takes LONGER than grinding PVP to 40, and you NEED either to pester other people to do the dungeons with you or enlighten DF with your need for that dungeon.

So why not complain about that too?
How about stopping raisin picking and only quote partly, ripping everything out of context?
Opinions still are not facts.

How the content is presented?
It is presented as LOOK AT THIS IT WILL BE A BATTLE GROUND OF GC1 VS GC2 VS GC3 and barely information given apart from PVP rank will be reset when changing GC.


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Nagging - derogative/offensive? Nagging is when someone repeats the same negative thing over and over even if it has been refuted several times. only to repeat again negatively.
So what is it that you are doing, ESPECIALLY calling others trolls and white knights?

Ad Hominem?
You know what calling others Trolls/white knights for not sharing your opinion is?

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument

your knowledge of frontlines is as limited as every other players, don't act like you know any better.

[Felis]

Cool image. Is there Twin Adder and Immortal Flames versions of that?

Immortal Flames
By Fire Reborn


Twin Adder (with the goddess Nophica)