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  1. #41
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    Alistaire's Avatar
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    Sargatanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutz View Post
    Camate must have meant secondary tools, though that leaves FSHs twiddling their thumbs (or rather still working on their much more grueling ilvl 70 rod grind). More than secondary tools, I'd really like some more shared armor. My MIN is more or less done with current BiS, but everything else is lacking or not yet leveled.
    Unless they plan to re-add spearfishing.

    ...but they've shown before the ability to neglect fishers as compared with other gather/crafters. (Master Fisher's ring, and the fact that getting the fishing main i70 is about 100+ times harder/longer than other gatherers)

    Edit: Might as well pre-empt any argument about that with some solid figures.

    With existing gear, you can guarantee 2 hq umbral rocks/fragrant logs per trip. Porting + chocobo to your spot takes under a minute, let's say 90 seconds per trip. So 45 minutes for a guaranteed i70 miner/btn tool.

    People estimate an average of 30 minutes to catch a Silver Sovereign, with a maximum 15% hq rate, and no way of telling if anyone can really hit that. But in that best case scenario, and tbh, 30 minutes seems a bit forgiving (it's longer), that'd average about 67 hours playtime for the i70 fisher tool.

    67 HOURS VS 45 MINUTES
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    Last edited by Alistaire; 07-01-2014 at 12:55 PM.

  2. #42
    Player Kerwin's Avatar
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    Kerwin Nindon
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    Balmung
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    Weaver Lv 90
    Lol Camate. You asked for this once you made that post.
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  3. #43
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    Artamie Knights
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    I'm having an attack from hearing the news *wheeze*
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  4. #44
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    I'm also really unhappy with this and am going to echo what everyone else is saying about hoping he meant secondary tools.
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  5. #45
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    BobbinT's Avatar
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    Bobbin Threadbare
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    Masamune
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    Thaumaturge Lv 90
    eh? I already made 5 DoH & all 3 DoL i70 tools. That's gonna be obsolete very soon?
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  6. #46
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    Kris Goldenshield
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    Tonberry
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    I understand at most people potentially freaking out over better gear coming... But surely everyone knows this (and probably armor too) were coming. I mean, how long did it take to get AF2 the first time it came out? I never got it and am actually skipping it because I can just get Coil armor quickly.

    And now, especially with turn 3 for accessory grinding, it simply isn't hard to get materia now (note: I never said it wasn't time consuming...)

    If a player invested millions of gil into materia so that they craft very specific high level gear, i do feel for them... But they should have thought about whether it was worth it or not to make the jump.
    Honestly I think a good solution could be able to break an item in exchange for any un-overmelded materia in it, for a fee or something.
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  7. #47
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    Tesla Silvermane
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    Odin
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Not sure why everyone thinks the Artisan tools will be worthless. You'll almost certainly need them to get the new tool.

    I predict:

    1) Get Desynthesis skill to 50
    2) Desynth something to get an untradeable mat
    3) Trade tool, mat and a myth item to get new tool
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  8. #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaynide View Post
    Honestly I think a good solution could be able to break an item in exchange for any un-overmelded materia in it, for a fee or something.
    Well... you can trade those i70 tools/hats for GC seals, though it would be a very bad trade.
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  9. #49
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    Kris Goldenshield
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    I was more talking about taking materia out of the craft specific AF equipment
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  10. #50
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    Inzoum Zimia
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    Masamune
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    Hello,
    We’ll be introducing new, higher level primary tools for both Disciples of the Land and Hand in patch 2.3.
    Seriously, what were you people thinking? We literally JUST GOT new main hand tools for DoH and DoL last major patch. Personally, I grinded for all of them. Twice, even, for the DoL tools (for retainers and myself).

    How about introducing complementary equipment, like, I dunno, an Off-Hand tool? Oh Right... Then you wouldn't have anything to add for Fisher.

    Or how about completing the Artisan set before you move on to new main hand tools?

    Or how about giving us an opportunity to upgrade those level 45 Red Coral Earrings we've been dragging around since version 1?

    Or how about replacing that level 48 Raptorskin Merchant's Purse? Boy, that sure is the PINNACLE of crafting excitement. It totally scream "ENDGAME". It oozes "BEST IN SLOT" out of every pore.

    Or how about retiring that level 49 Electrum Choker? I mean, THANK GOD it's not green, we'd get confused. Just think of how dumbfounded we'd be if it had an item level above 50?

    Wow, I'm really glad all of a sudden. I was worried I'd be all badass and overgeared. Whew. Thank goodness your plan for ARR's endgame crafting completely ignores our entire gear and just focuses on putting god-wrought tools of all-creation in our flimsy hands.

    Seriously, could you not think of ANYTHING else that might have had a bigger priority than having us replace AGAIN our main-hand tools? I REALLY hope this is just a mistake and you really meant to say "secondary tool" or "off-hand tool".

    YOSHIDAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
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