[Balance change] Change Divine Seal from +30% healing potency to +30% mind stat

[axemtitanium]

Presence of Mind 5 minute cooldown uguuuuuuuu ;w;

[Gamma621]

1) AoE burst is only better when there are >4 targets, which is never, since Bane is still stronger than Holy and there are never going to be more than 4 mobs clumped up like that in Coil. The bugs in T4 have never been a dps check and so don't count. Bonus points, Bane can't miss so you'll never whiff it like you can with Holy.

2) In 3 GCDs, SCH can do Bio, Energy Drain, Ruin, Energy Drain, Ruin, Energy Drain for a total of 730 potency. In 3 GCDs, WHM can do Stone II, Fluid Aura, Stone II, Stone II for a total of 660 potency. There are no burst phases in Coil 1 or 2 that are only 3 GCDs long. Most are 6 GCDs or more, and the difference in potency per GCD only widens.

So you've now blown an entire Aetherflow cooldown for the sake of doing 70 more potency on something WHM can do effortlessly.

Good thing you never need Lustrate or Sacred Soil in end-game content.

Also by the 4th GCD, the WHM has already caught up to your DPS, and passed you by the 5th GCD. And now that you've wasted time bursting your Energy Drains and Ruin, none of your DoTs have been applied, and all you've done is hurt your overall DPS.

Also to say Bane is stronger than Holy is laughable.

Since you like numbers so much, let's show some.

In 3 GCD, casting Bio, Miasma, Bio II, and Bane, you have done ~245 potency to the first monster, and 0 potency to the other monsters.

In 3 GCD, casting Holy, Holy, Holy has done 600 potency to every monster.

In 5 GCD, adding Shadow Flare, Energy Drain, Ruin, Energy Drain, you have done 895 potency to the first monster, and 220 potency the the other monsters.

In 5 GCD adding, Holy, Holy, has now done 1000 potency to every monster.

Looks like Holy Wins. Have I destroyed my MP doing this? Sure, but it's no different than you wasting 2-3 Aetherflows on Energy Drain.

[Kaze3434]

@Kaze3434

WHM and SCH has a toggle skill named Cleric Stance, what this does is it will swap our INT and Mind values, making healers' damage to be respectable.

So if Divine Seal buff our Mind Stat instead of overall healing potency as suggested by axemtitanium‎, when used in conjunction with Cleric Stance, we will have boosted INT, increasing our damage.

@axemtitanium

WHM do have a buff for burst damage, it's called Presence of Mind :P‎

i know, i play both of them. and got it after thinking about it for a bit.

[Alukah]

"We destroy SCH damage wise in every single scenario but single target, please make it so we can destroy them there too, ignore the fact that by doing this you will also boost even more our AoE damage."

[Roll]

For what? Being correct?

No. For being insulting and rude. You could have omitted the "If you knew elementary school math," and still have proven your point.
But then again, I shouldn't expect much from the community on the forums.

[Pantz]

Since you like numbers so much, let's show some.

In 3 GCD, casting Bio, Miasma, Bio II, and Bane, you have done ~245 potency to the first monster, and 0 potency to the other monsters.

In 3 GCD, casting Holy, Holy, Holy has done 600 potency to every monster.

In 5 GCD, adding Shadow Flare, Energy Drain, Ruin, Energy Drain, you have done 895 potency to the first monster, and 220 potency the the other monsters.

In 5 GCD adding, Holy, Holy, has now done 1000 potency to every monster.

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Holy cast time is longer than the gcd. Just to let you know that a more accurate calculation would use time in seconds not gcd. Not that I agree WHM needs more damage though.

[Gamma621]

Holy cast time is longer than the gcd. Just to let you know that a more accurate calculation would use time in seconds not gcd. Not that I agree WHM needs more damage though.

True, but you also have to factor in the time it takes for the server to register the last DoT hitting before you can safely spread them with Bane. You could potentially lose almost a second on that alone. Also Shadow Flare's casting time is the same as Holy. So it almost evens out by the end. Even adding a time discrepancy in Bane's favor, it still doesn't come close to Holy's DPS.

[HaelseMikiro]

"We destroy SCH damage wise in every single scenario but single target, please make it so we can destroy them there too, ignore the fact that by doing this you will also boost even more our AoE damage."

This guy summed up the entire thread, and this is probably the bottom line that SE will look at. From a balance PoV, buffing Divine Seal (which is what changing it from +heals to +Mind would be) would need to be offset in some other way, likely increasing the cooldown. I'd rather see a smaller more reasonable change, like adding 5 more seconds to PoM and dropping a minute off the cooldown.

[DreamWeaver]

@HaelseMikiro,Alukah

Correct me if I'm wrong, but damage wise...... aren't there just two scenarios? AoE/Single Target.
The way Alukah phrase it is like there's more than two scenarios, and WHM dominates in all of them, leaving "only" single target for SCH o.o.

[FelisC]

Your suggestion would break WHM for burst AOE DPS so much that it would never be considered.