bosses you like to see in FFXIV from other RPGs

[Edli]

I second alexander.

Omega on the other hand is basically ultima with an other name

On FFXII it wasn't so it doesn't have to be here either.

oh this one ? I totally forgot it. Yiamzat was way more memorable

Meh, auto mode with the proper gambits. It just took a long time. Omega was a **** though. FFXIV needs that one boss that cannot be beaten, that looms over everyone's head and which one can play that role better but omega?

[Tharian]

Omega on the other hand is basically ultima with an other name

Actually slight correction... its more like Ultima (aka Ultima Weapon or Ultimate Weapon) is basically Omega with another name. Ultima didn't appear in Final Fantasy II until the 2004 remake. Omega on the other hand first appeared in Final Fantasy V all the way back in 1992, over a decade before Ultima appeared in Final Fantasy II. In fact Ultimate Weapon didn't make his official debut into the Final Fantasy world until Final Fantasy VII in 1997 alongside of Ruby Weapon, Emerald Weapon and Diamond Weapon (though different Weapons were present in the different national releases of the game).

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Actually slight correction... its more like Ultima (aka Ultima Weapon or Ultimate Weapon) is basically Omega with another name. Ultima didn't appear in Final Fantasy II until the 2004 remake. Omega on the other hand first appeared in Final Fantasy V all the way back in 1992, well over a decade before Ultima appeared in Final Fantasy II. In fact Ultima Weapon didn't make his official debut into the Final Fantasy world until Final Fantasy VII in 1997 alongside of Ruby Weapon, Emerald Weapon and Diamond Weapon.

As far as I know, Ultima appeared first in FFVI, but they named it Atma on the JP > EN conversion. In FF VIII you have Ultima and Omega Weapon, being the second one a lot harder than Ultima. I guess they can make an Omega Weapon as if it was an Ultima Weapon EX.

[Tharian]

As far as I know, Ultima appeared first in FFVI, but they named it Atma on the JP > EN conversion. In FF VIII you have Ultima and Omega Weapon, being the second one a lot harder than Ultima. I guess they can make an Omega Weapon as if it was an Ultima Weapon EX.

Er... oops, I thought you said IV.... hold on....

Eh... heh... heh... you're right. Atma Weapon was the ported name for Ultima Weapon in Final Fantasy VI. Though I don't think he was categorized as a Super-Boss in that game as he is an unavoidable boss. You have to fight him. The thing that distinguishes most Super Bosses in Final Fantasy Games is that they are almost unilaterally all optional content. And Super Bosses was what I was under the impression that we were discussing.

But if you want to get technical, you are correct, my statement that Ultimate Weapon made his first appearance in Final Fantasy VII, is in fact in error. That said, Omega still beats him by 2 years. Also of interesting note, Omega also made an appearance in Final Fantasy VI, and was in fact the actual technical super boss of that game.

As for making Omega Weapon simply an EX version of Ultima Weapon, that would really be doing Omega's legacy a great disservice. Historically Omega has been and will continue to be the absolute power check in almost any game that he has been present in. He is rivaled only be the likes of Ozma, Absolute Virtue, and Pandemonium Warden. Seriously it isn't even a comparison. If he is introduced into this game, he will be an untimed fight, he will require a full 24 man alliance, and he will require at least item level 110 gear on all characters in the fight and near perfect play. Simply put, he will make Ultimate Weapon look like a chump by comparison, as he always has.

[lololink]

Most of the time Omega is not the same as Ultima, except some times when it's a recoloration, but basically Ultima is like this (First appearance FFVI) :

And Omega is (First appearance FFV) :

But if you want to get technical, you are correct, my statement that Ultimate Weapon made his first appearance in Final Fantasy VII, is in fact in error. That said, Omega still beats him by 2 years. Also of interesting note, Omega also made an appearance in Final Fantasy VI, and was in fact the actual technical super boss of that game.

Nothing is really technical in FF6 with the 5xUltima combo xD.

[Andevom]

[Kuwagami]

Meh, auto mode with the proper gambits. It just took a long time. Omega was a **** though. FFXIV needs that one boss that cannot be beaten, that looms over everyone's head and which one can play that role better but omega?

I passed nearly every boss on auto mode back in time. Only Ultima (too many status change) and zodiark (that one is a bitc*) needed my hand. :/ FFXII wasn't exactly what we could call a "hard game". Beautiful though.

Actually slight correction... its more like Ultima (aka Ultima Weapon or Ultimate Weapon) is basically Omega with another name. Ultima didn't appear in Final Fantasy II until the 2004 remake. Omega on the other hand first appeared in Final Fantasy V all the way back in 1992, over a decade before Ultima appeared in Final Fantasy II. In fact Ultimate Weapon didn't make his official debut into the Final Fantasy world until Final Fantasy VII in 1997 alongside of Ruby Weapon, Emerald Weapon and Diamond Weapon (though different Weapons were present in the different national releases of the game).

you're mixing Omega and Omega weapon.

Omega indeed appeared in FFV, but Omega weapon appeared in FFVIII for the first time in the series and borrowed Ultima weapon's artwork. On the other hand, Ultima weapon appeared in FFVI for the first time, but mistranslated as Atma Weapon out of Japan.

But if you want to get technical, you are correct, my statement that Ultimate Weapon made his first appearance in Final Fantasy VII, is in fact in error. That said, Omega still beats him by 2 years. Also of interesting note, Omega also made an appearance in Final Fantasy VI, and was in fact the actual technical super boss of that game.

and here you're mixing with re-edition of the games ^^
Omega weapon got its place in FFVI only with the advance portage, like omega got its place in FFI and Ultima weapon became the guardian of the Ultima book in FFII in the Dawn of Soul GBA portage

[Kallera]

Well, stickiig with licences since its feasible...
Pison, Red Pison and Metal Pison need to be back, and just as annoying with color changing boss.

Gorsia would be an interesting dungeon boss too.

Both are from 7th saga.

[Tharian]

Nothing is really technical in FF6 with the 5xUltima combo xD.

well barring the fact that Final Fantasy VI (and most of the other pre-final fantasy X games) had some of the most broken mechanics and glitches in the world (w-item glitch anyone? infinite items via trading cc club?), that doesn't change the fact that those two bosses aren't really anything like each other at all other than both being widely considered by most people to be super-bosses in most of the games that they are in.

you're mixing Omega and Omega weapon.

Omega indeed appeared in FFV, but Omega weapon appeared in FFVIII for the first time in the series and borrowed Ultima weapon's artwork. On the other hand, Ultima weapon appeared in FFVI for the first time, but mistranslated as Atma Weapon out of Japan.

Okay, you make a fair point. I was mainly referring to Omega, and just assumed that Omega Weapon was a dumbed down version of Omega. But you are correct it would seem. In keeping with that correction I would like to quantify my earlier statement.

Omega would be the boss that would require no timer, a 24 man alliance, item level 110 gear and near perfect play to beat.

Omega Weapon however would be a reasonable upgrade to EX for Ultimate Weapon.

and here you're mixing with re-edition of the games ^^
Omega weapon got its place in FFVI only with the advance portage, like omega got its place in FFI and Ultima weapon became the guardian of the Ultima book in FFII in the Dawn of Soul GBA portage

Okay, fair point. I missed that on the description of Super Bosses on the wiki. I had to actually look at the description of Omega Weapon to actually perceive that distinction.

[HakuroDK]

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