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  1. #11
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    Chiramu's Avatar
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    Cirra Maru
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    Quote Originally Posted by TouchandFeel View Post

    - "Minimalist Healing":A healer that only does the minimum required of them and only heals and as little as possible. If they really need to conserve mp, that is fine but when they sit with a full mp bar and do pretty much nothing, then there is a problem. If the tank is good or over geared and not much healing is required, then the healer should help out and do some dps.
    This is a little bit weird. You would rather a healer let the tank get really low and then do Cure 2 instead of keeping the tank's HP topped up with Cure 1, Stoneskin and Regen? My Mind is so strong on my WHM that my Cure 1 always heals over 1000 HP, and with the soldiery left side favouring SCH I have to keep an eye on my MP.

    Everything else in your post is good, but this one is just weird.
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  2. #12
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    Chiramu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamma621 View Post
    A parser for healing also wouldn't be fair at all to Scholars. WHM would always win for healing out, because it doesn't take Galvanize, Sacred Soil, Eye for an Eye, or enhanced virus into account which is significantly reducing damage taken to everybody in the group. Being a good healer isn't always about who can heal the most HP.
    Stoneskin. Also, what about the SCHs who don't know what Obey is on their fairy bar? Seeing the fairy heals before a battle is facepalm.
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  3. #13
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    Adahna Serafi
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    I just play as if the other healer doesn't exist. Any healing they may or may not do is bonus to me. This is the only thing that keeps me sane in 8 man trails/dungeons.
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  4. #14
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    TouchandFeel's Avatar
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    Vespereaux Vaillantes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiramu View Post
    This is a little bit weird. You would rather a healer let the tank get really low and then do Cure 2 instead of keeping the tank's HP topped up with Cure 1, Stoneskin and Regen? My Mind is so strong on my WHM that my Cure 1 always heals over 1000 HP, and with the soldiery left side favouring SCH I have to keep an eye on my MP.

    Everything else in your post is good, but this one is just weird.
    I agree with you as to what a healer should be doing as a priority and I may not have been clear enough with my description.

    What I meant was the healer that doesn't do any of the things that you mentioned but just throws out the occasional heal and barely keeps the tank alive, and just sits there most of the time.
    If a healer is able to do all of their duties, like the stuff you brought up and they still have some free time and mp then they can help DPS some. For example I personally like to toss out some insta-cast DoT's if I have a gap in needing to heal.
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    Last edited by TouchandFeel; 06-23-2014 at 10:18 AM.

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  6. #15
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    Lanceton Oni
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    Famfrit
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    Armorer Lv 80
    well, my main point is that it sucks to have a good healer works his/her arse-off to keep the group up while the unskilled healer doesn't do much at all, and at the end the unskilled healer got the loot and the good healer got nothing.

    will be nice if there's a standard established that easily discriminates good healer and at least give them a shout out.
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  7. #16
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    Rena Cebe
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    Amount of actions / time.
    While doing no or little overhealing.
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  8. #17
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    Kurara Mamegano
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    Malboro
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    No overhealing is a pipe dream because even if you were a perfect robot who could shoot spells at the exact right moment a single crit would push you over the edge. Healing is too complex to be broken down into a singular simplistic thing you can measure and judge by.
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  9. #18
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    Eden Light
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    Famfrit
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by subteraneanbird View Post
    No overhealing is a pipe dream because even if you were a perfect robot who could shoot spells at the exact right moment a single crit would push you over the edge. Healing is too complex to be broken down into a singular simplistic thing you can measure and judge by.
    It's not complex.
    If you know your cure will replace 1/4 blue bar, then do that when 1/4 blue bar is down. Then make more red bars go down until you need to make that 1/4 blue bar go up again.
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  10. #19
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by EdenLost View Post
    It's not complex.
    If you know your cure will replace 1/4 blue bar, then do that when 1/4 blue bar is down. Then make more red bars go down until you need to make that 1/4 blue bar go up again.
    Yeah sure. All great healers just stare at the HP bars and cast cure 1 / 2 depending on how much of the bar has just went down.
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  11. #20
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    Noll Aestel
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    In my static there's a perfect synergy between me and the other healer, with me being the scholar.

    We don't even have to comunicate anymore, we just know how to play together, and it works greatly.

    We even set up a dps heal order for T7 fireballs so that we wont be healing the same DPS, and if you see this video you can see how we both manage t9 healing (you can't see the lustrates and viruses cast by me due to being instant cast)

    I completely ignore aoe healings during t9 unless I have some free time

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVK4gpb5wdg
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