Yoshi-P: Atma drop % = "it's just luck"

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for our relics i mean not just coil i'm not saying that we should have them just handed to us i do believe that if you want something you should work hard for it but mindlessly grinding fates in low level areas is not my idea of fun content. binding coil is fun because it challenges everyone to do better with their jobs but pressing two - three buttons is not challenging

with the moment that something is challenging people will cry that its to hard

grinding fates without traces of mind is the only thing even the dumbest player can do
and that is, what the relic quest is supposed to be

[Yukiko]

Grinding is a controversial subject among players. Many do not enjoy it, and disparage it as a symptom of poor or uninspired game design. Others embrace it, claiming that all games feature grinding to some extent, or claim to enjoy the practice of regular grinding. Some games, especially free-to-play games, allow players to bypass grinding by paying additional fees.

There is a difference between grinding and RNG, we have BOTH...
You seem to not know how f2p are making their money, yes, because players buy to bypass that stupid grinding...

[Grizzlebeard]

There is a difference between grinding and RNG, we have BOTH...

I think it's down to semantics. I personally use the term grinding for any boring, repetitive online "task" where there is a finite goal, such as grinding experience points where you know what you need to achieve to gain your next level. RNG generally falls under farming to me but other people would argue it's all grinding / farming.

[Yukiko]

Grinding:
Example -> XP to level up your character
=> gain is direct proportional to the effort (must not be linear)

RNG:
Example -> open a chest
=> gain is depending on luck (from no luck to jackpot, its gambling with possibility to lose all)

[Grizzlebeard]

Grinding:
Example -> XP to level up your character
=> gain is direct proportional to the effort (must not be linear)

RNG:
Example -> open a chest
=> gain is depending on luck (from no luck to jackpot, its gambling with possibility to lose all)

So, what would you classify sitting in one zone killing numerous mobs for a drop as?

You're still grinding but you're at the mercy of the Random Number Generator (RNG).

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[Yukiko]

There is a difference between grinding and RNG, we have BOTH...
You seem to not know how f2p are making their money, yes, because players buy to bypass that stupid grinding...

reading helps

[Grizzlebeard]

reading helps

I'd give you the same advice. I stated it's down to semantics. Many people don't separate grinding from RNG, it's all part of the same tedium.

[jacobvalladares]

with the moment that something is challenging people will cry that its to hard

grinding fates without traces of mind is the only thing even the dumbest player can do
and that is, what the relic quest is supposed to be

to be honest at lvl 50 you should know the ins and outs of you job from all your experience in dungeons so you shouldn't be a "dumb player" at that level so what's wrong with challenging content to reflect the skill that you should have gained leveling up your character like binding coil or maybe the new crystal tower that's coming in 2.3

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to be honest at lvl 50 you should know the ins and outs of you job from all your experience in dungeons so you shouldn't be a "dumb player" at that level so what's wrong with challenging content to reflect the skill that you should have gained leveling up your character like binding coil or maybe the new crystal tower that's coming in 2.3

right, you have ct and tbcob if you want to earn gear by doing challenging content

but there are still blms outside with a gs of 100 with a fire III, blizzard III, fire III, blizzard III etc. rotation, tanks who are unable to hold hate, dragoons or monks, who have no clue about their rotations or summoner who perform less dps then their egis

the only reason why there are relics is to give this folks (and persons who dont want to run challenging content, maybe because of lags or other issues) a weapon, which isnt the best ig, but still usefull for their satisfaction

[jacobvalladares]

right, you have ct and tbcob if you want to earn gear by doing challenging content

but there are still blms outside with a gs of 100 with a fire III, blizzard III, fire III, blizzard III etc. rotation, tanks who are unable to hold hate, dragoons or monks, who have no clue about their rotations or summoner who perform less dps then their egis

the only reason why there are relics is to give this folks a weapon, which isnt the best ig, but still usefull for their satisfaction

true but why must we all suffer for the few who haven't quite familiarized themselves with their job when they could make content that is a long story based challenge that would encourage players to get off their bums and try to be better to attain your relic atma rather than mindless grinding where they learn nothing and still get rewarded for it when the players who give a flying ferret about the game and their job req's still sit waiting for even 1 atma