Healing with Cleric Stance ON

[Skivvy]

Bads gonna bad.

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Totally not the thread as there are plenty of fights that don't require turning off cleric's stance. It appears that no one wiped during the fight that the OP referenced. In any fight that forces you to have two healers, it's extremely common to see one of them to be in cleric's stance for the majority of the fight.

Without being in the instance with the OP, it's impossible to know exactly how low the tank's HP really was, or what the skill level of the healer was, or exactly how nice they were with their constant reminders, and plenty of other factors. If the other healer threatened to put on Cleric's Stance to simply annoy them, that makes me think there is more to it.

[Sprinks]

Every healer has done this at some point! As long as everyone is alive at the end, who cares? If it causes a wipe, it was TOTALLY the Fairy's fault...

[RaquelleAvarosa]

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Instance: Moogle hard mode
Healers: scholar wearing AF1, whitemage wearing soldiery gear(cleric stance)
Tank's condition: MT at 50% hp, OT at 40% hp
DPS' condition: 3 were at 60%, 1 at 80%
My reminder: (person's name) (auto-translate function Cleric Stance)

[Taaku]

its happened to me before, i generally just go "oh crap" to myself and turn it off when reminded.

mistakes revolving around Shield oath,cleric stance, and even defiance(though less) happen so much, cant really blame players for reminding people if it seems like it might be a mistake.

heck. i've sometimes forgotten to use Fists of fire before :x and that stays on forever!

[Alukah]

Yeah, you're probably right. I guess I have a short tempter to people who are trying to tell (or remind, if you want to call it that) me how to do my job :P

Not really telling you how to do your job, there's a difference between ordering someone to do something and just informing (or reminding) someone about something.

If you check other responses to this thread it's pretty common to forget you're on cleric stance, it's just making sure it's not unintentional.

[Deli]

depends on situation, but there were like 2-3 ppl trying to remind me that while I was really intended to attack.

the rest is muttering, only for other ppl who is not that familiar with whm that you "may" not see how skillful that whm is...However, in most cases, that whm sux/not careful enough!

These ppl usually ignore the part that I turned off Cleric Stance and cure. there is no delay between switching off -> regen -> switching on. (it's also very annoying, lots time I press too quick so finally waited 2.5 sec Cleric Stance turned off, but then instantly on again...) Well, in consider many WHM don't even know you can switching between stands very quick (at CT atomos boss for example, many WHMs in pt usually asked me as whm "do you want to cure or attack?" Even in one case, the person told me I can't do both...I just told the person "watch and learn" :P)


situation 2: Holy and Stoneskin combo. I use that a lot during High/Elite dungeons. Within like 4-6 mobs, a geared tank can survived with this:
Divine Seal -> Medica II -> regen (these 2 combine give the person 800-1100 hp per tick) -> stoneskin (due to your initial one already broken) -> regen -> cleric stance -> holy -> stoneskin -> holy -> stoneskin

stoneskin can usually last at least one GCD time with 3 mobs on tank. 2 mobs on tank, you have ~ 2x GCD time. single mob on tank you have ~3x GCD time. so knowing this, you can just stoneskin -> holy -> stoneskin -> holy ... with 2 mobs on tank, you can stoneskin -> stone II -> stone II -> stoneskin while tank is losing little hp.


for the CT atomos,

let me just muttering little more, you can stoneskin -> regen -> cleric stance -> stone II ->stone II -> stone II -> (here the mob is almost dead with other DD's help) -> stoneskin (end of here usually the tank is about to take off for next mob) -> cleric stance (off) -> regen (before tank is out of range) cleric stance (on) -> stone II x 3
in normal cases, my cleric stance off time is ~ 1 sec. so some ppl might missed it and say "oh why you use regen while cleric stance on" but you know, still, in most cases that healer sux.

situation 3: Rushing. If whm has confidence that mobs will die before tank, I think it's ok.
like that 9 gobs place between 1st and 2nd boss of Brayflox's Longstop (HM), I once saw one whm (I was drg) ran in with Cleric Stance. WHM just open Presence of Mind and nuked the hell out of gobs. all gobs died before tank with a single Benediction in between. But, then you can see some are lazy but tank is dying, so I think during this time throw a cure or two under Cleric Stance is still fine.

[NinjaTaru72]

I think I had it worse... I main healer, and I've been raising my tank lately (helps me learn what to do and not do as a healer I think, along with how tanks are doing things. Makes me feel like I can learn my Job a bit better) anyways, I was talking haukke normal and the healer, a whm, instead of using cleric stance and dots, was sitting up on the mob using auto attack while trying to heal me. And I'm like "umm it's kinda dangerous for you to be that close" and I got "I'm doing damage, no reason to not be close" then he proceeded to die at the bottom of the stairs after the first boss from standing next to me. Came back and kept doing it the entire dungeon outside the last boss. Managed to atleast get him to stand behind them but seriously? I main healer... I wanted to snap at him soooo bad.. But I didn't. End of the run I just said "... Good luck."

[TheMax1087]

As a scholar theres almost no reason to remove cleric stance for most dungeons(stone vigil and qarn being the exceptions in low level) since it doesnt affect embrace, and embrace is more than enough to heal most of those dungeons. Not the same with whm of course.

[Princess_Rosilee]

I don't think it's honestly such a big deal. It always depends on the dungeon you're doing of course. But I can pretty much heal just about anything in cleric stance. I'm level 106 so it feels a little bit of overkill for me to be healing say, leviathan with another geared healer and not dps. I spend 85% of that fight in cleric stance. Granted if you're healing and no dpsing and the tank is dying in cleric stance, then you're just doing it wrong, but if everyone is alive and well I don't really see the issue.

[shrek]

Fix'd.

"Omnonom... hmm... don't think you popped all your cooldowns there... omnomnom."

woops just noticed, thanks for the fix