Yoshi-P: Atma drop % = "it's just luck"

[Natashio]

They don't do hard NM FATE;s

This is all that I did after noticing a pattern on drops after my 7th atma and I started to get the last 5 at a faster rate than running around like a headless chicken attacking every single FATE that popped.

[Avarghaladion]

Yes you don't understand how it can be lucky because you're using your own luck as the sample and yes, you have absurd RNG luck if you're not just trolling everyone. Also, not even the uncapped FATEs, such as those in Ughamoro, are a challenge in any way unless you are extremely undergeared.... which... we're not... because we all have Zenith. People do -all- the fates. People are more apt to do the higher level crap for the simple fact that it's a nice change up having access to all of our abilities for a change. There are very few people who sit on a FATE pop.

I played FFXI for over a decade and I even enjoyed the grindy relic upgrade quests, meripos, and all the other grindy content. I'm 50 in all trades/jobs/classes, permanently stock every 2-star and 3-star item, paid for 99.9% of my FCs large plot with my own gil, and have routinely crafted for 50+ hours straight on weekends to keep up with sales demand... none of that phases me... People couldn't care less about a grind. People care that ATMA farming is retarded game design created with the express purpose of keeping mouth breathers busy while they add more content. Coincidentally, it's that exact approach to "content" development that led to my quitting XI and it's why an abnormal number of people are dropping subs in this game.

This is all that I did after noticing a pattern on drops after my 7th atma and I started to get the last 5 at a faster rate than running around like a headless chicken attacking every single FATE that popped.

That's just a placebo. Also, at the rate FATEs are burned there's really no point to only do boss fights. Sure if I have to choose I'll always take the boss fight because at least the NM design has more flavour to it and it's anecdotally entertaining but there certainly appears to be no correlation between FATE type and RNG success.

[Jefu]

Oh I assure you I'm not trolling. If you were on Ragnarok, I'd even come show you my Atma weapons. People make this seem a lot worse than it is. Yes it takes time, a lot. You may have to do 100 fates before you get it. And there may be people like you, if you are telling the truth, and do many FATEs a day and are just unlucky. But i know for a fact that many people do a couple fates, then sit AFK forever, and the first thing you hear them say is "i've been here for 45 hours." Yes you have been here for 45 hours, and 40 hours of it was AFK while you watched netflix or something. 5% drop rate isn't too bad either, if you ever played FFXII and tried to get Zodiac Spear(less than 1% drop) or seitengrate(1/10k chance) that's a bad drop rate. When i'm getting 12 Atma in less than 24 hours, multiple times, it just can't be that bad. I've had to do over 100 FATE's for a couple of my Atma too, but that is very very rare. Animus and Atma are everywhere on Ragnarok so it can't be too bad.

[Jefu]

And we all know that 1 reason they did this was to bring life back to the FATE system for new players. Another reason I believe, is so that people can't say "Get your Relic weapon today. (Insert Name) FC selling Atma runs. Sit back and get your Atma and loot. 450k gil. Now there's only 1 way to get them, and people hate that. But none of the new weapons are too easy to get, levi's lv 95 weapon the easiest, and it's not as good as Animus. If there was a way to give you guys my luck, I would cause I'd like to see everyone get at least 1 Atma weapon. But a lot of people that complain just don't put the time into that they claim, and for those of you who do put the time in, sorry for your luck. Hope you get it just keep trying. Or wait for a couple of patches, when they will eventually raise the drop rate to 100% because people are going to keep suggesting it. They didn't want you to have your Animus weapon 1 day after patch, and everyone wants it right now. Or it's not fair.

[Dano]

OP, the grind is only the beginning ;p

[Avarghaladion]

Try to put yourself in other peoples' shoes.... you keep saying stuff along the lines of "I got mine in no time so it isn't that bad." This is also condradictory to your comment that they don't want people to get it one day after patch.... If some people can get it in less than 24 hours of farming that IS one day after patch, potentially, while others have worked at it since the patch hit and still have nothing to show for it.

We get it... you're crazy good at winning the RNG slot machine "content" and addicted enough to think it constitutes good game design. I'm happy for you. A lot of people don't share your luck though. It took my gf close to two weeks of -aggressively- farming Atma nonstop for 6-8 hours per day to get all 12. Most of the people in my FC and linkshells share that exact same experience, or worst. I'm personally only at about 30 hours of farming but it's now been 26 hours since I've seen an Atma drop. Yes, we all have our Zeniths on and the quest active. No, our inventories aren't full. You're just luckier than most people. Congratulations.

I know you're not trying to come across as offensive but the attitude that "it was easy for me so everyone else must just not be trying hard enough" and effectively accusing everyone of lying about how much effort they're putting in really makes my blood boil so I'm ending this conversation.

[Jefu]

I did put myself into other's perspective. I just said I started Atma quest last Friday(6/6/14). I started cause everyone in my FC said, this is stupid it's hard ridiculous. so i thought i'd start the long grind. Then I got the weapon in less than 24 hours. So i said, I must be very lucky, lets try again. Another Atma in less than 24 hours..... Ok let's try a 3rd time since i'm so lucky. Another Atma under 24 hours... You can't be super uber lucky that many times. in a row. did it again, another 11 Atma, and will finish it this weekend. ALSO, I haven't contradicted myself. Yes I said they don't want you to have Animus after 1 day. And I don't. Mind you, I said Atma weapons. Now, I could upgrade them to Animus, and I could upgrade 1 weapon in less than 24 hours, doing dung's all day long, and nothing but that. But 90% of people don't do that, so you won't have them in 1 day. The people who do are spamming Brayflox.

[Jefu]

But I know I've seen at least 100 Atma weapons on Ragnarok. Soo many bards. Now think across all the servers. That many people getting them are just not super lucky. Everyone makes this seem like it's odds are equal to the weekly Mega Millions or something lol. I'm sorry you apparently have really bad luck, don't know what to tell you except keep trying. I did, and got mine. I had people in my FC just like you guys, do a couple FATEs, then give up cause it's not working. I told them to stick with it, even running South Thanalan with them until they got it. Yes, I got 3 Scorpions in the time he got 1. That was luck. But my point was proven that he got it in less than an hour, because he stayed there for more than 10 Fates. Go back and look at peoples complaints. You see, done a few FATEs. Hate it. Not doing Atma anymore. Hate FATEs. More time is really spent complaining than hunting, by most people. anyway, tired of arguing. good luck hope you get it.

[Lucke]

I think the problem is the loss of control with the RNG. We LOOOOVE control and RNG takes that away. Think of Soldery tomes, most people don't mind that because we have CONTROL over how much Soldery tomes we get. We can do alotta Brayflox for alotta Soldery, or we can decide to take a break and not do any dungeons. Everytime we do Brayflox we KNOW we will get further to our goal of buying that wicked awesome Daystar robe. We can CONTROL when we get that robe. We can do alot of the Bray, get a bunch of Soldiery, and get the Daystar robe as soon as we can (Soldiery caps and all). Every time we do Bray, we are that much closer to our goal.

We lose that CONTROL when doing ATMA. We have NO CONTROL AT ALL if the thing will drop or not. Tell me, how is it fair that I can walk into a zone, do a FATE just in passing and grab an Atma, while Joe Blow has been in this same zone for 3 days and STILL hasn't gotten his atma after 500 FATEs. That rewards the lucky and punishes the unlucky. We can't control if we're lucky or not.

[baopee]

just started farming the Atmass lst night, so far 3 hours for 3 Atmas. Fish, crab, and scale