A friendly warning to SE: Do NOT turn FFXIV into an Asia Grinder!

[Sparky]

As a concession from my opinions stated earlier, I suppose an alternative to the RNG based grind would be to make the atma/alexandrite drop easily from bosses etc, but add a lengthy (high) number of requisite tasks that also need to be completed. Say, 400 fates or something like that to "charge" or activate those atma etc. This way it keeps with the developers vision for this content to inject life into the low level content for new players, but also allows players to know exactly how long they need to grind for. The way it is at the moment, some players got all their atmas in just a couple of days, yet others got nothing for the same time spent.

[zulu_kulu]

As a concession

other words, i tried the rng grind, which i said is ok before and now i dont like it.

[Hanemakikaze]

This is already an asian grinder, what are you smoking OP?
Want your myth armor pieces & accessories? Get to grinding.
Want your weathered pieces or tomestone weapon? Get to grinding.
Want your i90 coil gear for your main or alt jobs? Get to grinding(actually alright with this one).
Want to level a craft without HQ turn ins? Get to grinding.
Want to start your zodiac quest? Stop while you're ahead.

Point being, too much shit requires tomestones or fates. Something new needs to be introduced before I go insane from boredom with the same thing being thrown at me update after update. Seriously, every update it's kill this primal, grind this dungeon. I mean, would it kill them to add areas where this gear could actually drop, or specific instances that only people on the zodiac can participate...I mean anything, make the game fun when doing this kinda stuff, that's all I want ! Seriously, I wouldn't even care about a grind if it wasn't so damn boring.

[Sparky]

other words, i tried the rng grind, which i said is ok before and now i dont like it.

No, more like:

"Whilst I do not personally have a problem with the way things are, this change could have a positive impact whilst keeping things sufficient to the way I like them"

That's what the concession is in this context. It isn't saying that they were right and I was wrong, but it is saying look ok, I dont want them to remove the grind, so lets remove the RNG reliance so that people know how long they would need to grind for. It's promoting choice. It's a compromise, but it's one that should work.

[stupiddog]

This is already an asian grinder, what are you smoking OP? I mean, would it kill them to add areas where this gear could actually drop, or specific instances that only people on the zodiac can participate...I mean anything, make the game fun when doing this kinda stuff, that's all I want ! Seriously, I wouldn't even care about a grind if it wasn't so damn boring.

I am not smoking at all. But perhaps I should try it - maybe it reduces the boredom of running Bray etc. for the 200x time.

Other than that, I completely agree with you - the "sub one month, then skip two" strategy is looking more and more attractive to me, since I would like to actually see something for my money (and the time that I, as of now, are still putting in)

[stupiddog]

I completely agree with the OP's sentiments. Although, I think that using the word "Asia" in the title connotes vaguely racist undertones (as has been already said, Western MMO's also have grindfests)

I am sorry if that term was received as racist. To my knowledge, it is simply a well-known MMORPG term for a certain style of games.

[ApolloGenX]

I am not smoking at all. But perhaps I should try it - maybe it reduces the boredom of running Bray etc. for the 200x time.

Other than that, I completely agree with you - the "sub one month, then skip two" strategy is looking more and more attractive to me, since I would like to actually see something for my money (and the time that I, as of now, are still putting in)

Yeah, it ends up working out... not only un-subbing you get to come back to new content... but you can pick up that stuff you wanted that would have taken you those months to grind out tokens to get.... so it's kind of like you were grinding without playing.

Truth is they gate tokens, anyway... so they force the grinding to take that long to extend content. That means the only thing you miss from skipping months... is that grind!

[HeroSamson]

Un-sub then, cause all single player Jrpg are like that, suikoden games had to grind my levels and level up weapons grinding up money searching for 108 star's of destiny, same goes for a lot more rpg out there.

So where have you been?

Why announce you'll Un-sub? I mean do you think SE will say OMG this single person with a few people who agreed left and then they get a few people to replace you in a instant its as if nobody left the game.

This game needs grinding, to slow down content because you guys go threw it like a butter knife and butter, you want it fast and now I would be happy for them to slow your rolls.

[stupiddog]

This game needs grinding, to slow down content because you guys go threw it like a butter knife and butter, you want it fast and now I would be happy for them to slow your rolls.

First of all, I did not announce I would be unsubbing. Don't you dare put words in my mouth that I did not say.

Second, looking at other postings, I do not seem to be the only one considering it. You do not even need to be on the forums to do the math. How long do you think it will take before it starts to be a real problem for the cashflow?

Slow-pacing content is nothing I have a problem with (think I am starting to repeat myself, but people still not seem to read it....) - I am still grinding, it is acceptable, but would it kill SE to reward me with a nice CGI sequence, some well-written dialogue, a pretty little side-story, really, anything at all besides a new weapon with some fancy numbers? If you read my posts, this is all I am asking for.

[ApolloGenX]

Un-sub then, cause all single player Jrpg are like that, suikoden games had to grind my levels and level up weapons grinding up money searching for 108 star's of destiny, same goes for a lot more rpg out there.

So where have you been?

Why announce you'll Un-sub? I mean do you think SE will say OMG this single person with a few people who agreed left and then they get a few people to replace you in a instant its as if nobody left the game.

This game needs grinding, to slow down content because you guys go threw it like a butter knife and butter, you want it fast and now I would be happy for them to slow your rolls.

Oh, I am casual... I play MAYBE at the most 10 hours in a week, if that. I actually prefer the sub/unsub method so that I can get through content quickly without the artificial barriers and time sinks that are boring and wasted effort the next patch.